A4 B7 57 plate 1.9 tdi

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Hi
A4 B7 57 plate 1.9 tdi
I'm having trouble with a code, that keeps coming up. The code is 01305 which is, I think anyway Accessory Delay Relay Coil Circuit Short To Ground. Is this just the can-bus wires or is there something wrong with my instrument cluster
Thanks in advance
Alan
 
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Please post an Auto-Scan so we can see the context of this trouble code, and any other issues present on the car.

Also, please mention the model year of the vehicle. UK plate numbers don't identify the model year and don't mean anything outside the UK.

Jason
Here you go Jason :o

Code:
Thursday,09,October,2014,13:53:50:43688
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: 12.12.3.0 (x64)
Data version: 20140905


VIN: WAUZZZ8EX8A077446   License Plate: YC57 EXN
Mileage: 234010km-145407mi   Repair Order: 09/10/2014 13.53


Chassis Type: 8E (8E - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B6/B7 (2001 > 2008))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 11 15 16 17 18 25 36 37 45 46 55 56 57 65
          67 69 75 76 77
 
VIN: WAUZZZ8EX8A077446   Mileage: 234010km/145407miles
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 03G-906-016-BKE.lbl
   Part No SW: 03G 906 016 JA    HW: 03G 906 016 JA
   Component: R4 1,9L EDC G000SG  8692  
   Revision: --H05---    Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
   Coding: 0000071
   Shop #: WSC 66565 257 00032
   VCID: 6BD5C65D4A2F58465EF-803E

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8E0-910-517.clb
   Part No SW: 8E0 910 517 H    HW: 8E0 614 517 BF
   Component: ESP8 FRONT      H06 0140  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0004401
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 2C5705418FA19F7E175-8079

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8E0-820-043.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 820 043 BL
   Component:   A4 Klimaautomat   3233  
   Coding: 00000
   Shop #: WSC 00000  
   VCID: 6CD7C5411C215F7E575-5140

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 8E0-907-279-8EC.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 907 279 N
   Component: int. Lastmodul  ECE 0907  
   Coding: 10001
   Shop #: WSC 06325  
   VCID: 3D71380537DB06F6B0B-4B1A

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8E0-959-655-94.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 959 655 G    HW: 8E0 959 655 G
   Component:    Airbag 9.41  H14 4230  
   Revision: 91H14423    Serial number: 0036M0GA2WZ/  
   Coding: 0031612
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 3B75361D7ACF08C68EF-806E

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332DRB405D28FA0-

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342DRB405F20B15N

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6352ARB402EA99FDB

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6362ARB402EA9994/

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 63729RB402A6AC3B.

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63829RB402A6A5B8-

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 8E0-953-549.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 953 549 Q
   Component: Lenksáulenmodul     0701  
   Coding: 00041
   Shop #: WSC 06325  
   VCID: 418944F54B236216D43-4B1A

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8EC.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 920 982 M    HW: 8E0 920 982 M
   Component: KOMBI+WFS 4     H10 0200  
   Revision: 0200        Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0006418
   Shop #: WSC 14557 512 00000
   VCID: 387F291148F923DE63D-5140

2 Faults Found:
01304 - Radio 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
01300 - Control Module for Navigation with CD-Rom (J401) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8EC.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 920 982 M    HW: 8E0 920 982 M
   Component: KOMBI+WFS 4     H10 0200  
   Revision: 0200        Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0006418
   Shop #: WSC 14557 512 00000
   VCID: 387F291148F923DE63D-5140

2 Faults Found:
01304 - Radio 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
01300 - Control Module for Navigation with CD-Rom (J401) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 37: Navigation        Labels: 8E0-035-192-RNSE.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 035 192 Q    HW: 8E0 035 192 Q
   Component: RNS-E HIGH EU   H74 0650  
   Revision:      04S    Serial number: AUZBZ7G1148312
   Coding: 0301113
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 326B1B39AE85C98E5D9-517A

3 Faults Found:
00862 - Antenna for GPS Navigation (R50/R52) 
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 8
                    Reset counter: 10
                    Time Indication: 15

             Freeze Frame:
                    Mileage: 655350 km
                    Count: 65535
                    Clock: 255:255

00858 - Connection; Radio Intermediate Frequency (IF) Output to Antenna Amplifier 
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101011
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 102
                    Time Indication: 15

             Freeze Frame:
                    Mileage: 655350 km
                    Count: 65535
                    Clock: 255:255

01305 - Databus for Infotainment 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 156
                    Reset counter: 73
                    Time Indication: 15
 
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I'm having trouble with a code, that keeps coming up. The code is 01305 which is, I think anyway Accessory Delay Relay Coil Circuit Short To Ground.
We really should start a post somewhere, titled "Running list of reasons we really do need Auto-Scans". :) Not sure where that description came from.

Code:
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Address 37: Navigation        Labels: 8E0-035-192-RNSE.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 035 192 Q    HW: 8E0 035 192 Q
   Component: RNS-E HIGH EU   H74 0650  
   Revision:      04S    Serial number: AUZBZ7G1148312
   Coding: 0301113
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 326B1B39AE85C98E5D9-517A

....

01305 - Databus for Infotainment 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 156
                    Reset counter: 73
                    Time Indication: 15
Is this just the can-bus wires or is there something wrong with my instrument cluster
Thank you for posting an Auto-Scan.

You're missing address 56-Radio entirely, which I think should be present on this car. 37-Navigation is there, but complains of problems talking on the Infotainment CAN bus. Also, the cluster can't see either the radio or the nav unit, both of which are probably on the Infotainment CAN bus. It seems unlikely the cluster is having problems here, more likely the Infotainment CAN wiring or some device on that CAN bus, possibly the radio. Is your radio working? Are there any aftermarket radio/parts here we should know about? Are there any symptoms visible to you as the driver/operator?

I notice address 19-CAN Gateway isn't in the scan either, but it also isn't in the Auto-Scan template for this vehicle so VCDS won't have tried to scan it. This car may be like many others where the instrument cluster also serves as the CAN gateway, but IIRC there's usually a virtual address 19 as well. Perhaps one of the RT folks can comment if this is correct or not.

Jason
 
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We really should start a post somewhere, titled "Running list of reasons we really do need Auto-Scans". :) Not sure where that description came from.

Code:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 37: Navigation        Labels: 8E0-035-192-RNSE.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 035 192 Q    HW: 8E0 035 192 Q
   Component: RNS-E HIGH EU   H74 0650  
   Revision:      04S    Serial number: AUZBZ7G1148312
   Coding: 0301113
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 326B1B39AE85C98E5D9-517A

....

01305 - Databus for Infotainment 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 156
                    Reset counter: 73
                    Time Indication: 15

Thank you for posting an Auto-Scan.

You're missing address 56-Radio entirely, which I think should be present on this car. 37-Navigation is there, but complains of problems talking on the Infotainment CAN bus. Also, the cluster can't see either the radio or the nav unit, both of which are probably on the Infotainment CAN bus. It seems unlikely the cluster is having problems here, more likely the Infotainment CAN wiring or some device on that CAN bus, possibly the radio. Is your radio working? Are there any aftermarket radio/parts here we should know about? Are there any symptoms visible to you as the driver/operator?

I notice address 19-CAN Gateway isn't in the scan either, but it also isn't in the Auto-Scan template for this vehicle so VCDS won't have tried to scan it. This car may be like many others where the instrument cluster also serves as the CAN gateway, but IIRC there's usually a virtual address 19 as well. Perhaps one of the RT folks can comment if this is correct or not.

Jason
The scan I have posted, is as far as I can get before VCDS looses connection with the car. I have tried fitting an aftermarket stereo with a can-bus box, but the stereo wouldn't switch on. I had an auto electrician try and fit it, he mentioned that there was something wrong with my clocks, regarding the can-bus. So he ended up hard wiring it in. I wasn't happy with it being hardwired, so I put the original stereo back in. The problem I'm getting now is; I have to turn the stereo off and on manually, rather than just leaving it on and switching it off with the ignition and on again. The elimination doesn't work either.
I don't think it just one problem causing all this but multiple.
Thanks Jason and Uwe for your help:)
 
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The scan I have posted, is as far as I can get before VCDS looses connection with the car.
Define "loses connection"... what exactly do you see from VCDS? It should keep trying control modules until the end of the Auto-Scan list. Some you'll have, some you won't.

Come to think of it, you should really have 46-Central Convenience in that scan, if not others...

I have tried fitting an aftermarket stereo with a can-bus box, but the stereo wouldn't switch on. I had an auto electrician try and fit it, he mentioned that there was something wrong with my clocks, regarding the can-bus. So he ended up hard wiring it in. I wasn't happy with it being hardwired, so I put the original stereo back in. The problem I'm getting now is; I have to turn the stereo off and on manually, rather than just leaving it on and switching it off with the ignition and on again. The elimination doesn't work either.
I don't think it just one problem causing all this but multiple.
We'll go ahead and put that down as "confirmed wiring problem." :)

The factory head unit most likely gets its on/off signaling via CAN, along with other stuff like driver-specific presets, vehicle speed for speed-sensitive volume and also instrument panel backlight on/off and dimming. If it can't talk on the CAN bus, it's not getting that information.

You're going to have to take a close look at the radio wiring harness, paying particularly close attention to the CAN bus wiring pair(s). They will be described as CAN-Hi and CAN-Lo or similar. There will be at least one pair, and there might be two if both Convenience and Infotainment CAN are present at the radio. You'll need a factory repair manual with a wiring diagram to find the wire colors and pin positions you're looking for. Look for cuts, shorts to other wires, or shorts to ground.

Also, since the radio isn't present in diagnostics, check to see if there's a K-line wire present at the radio. I don't know if this radio does diagnostics via K-line or with virtual K-line over CAN or what.

Jason
 
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Hi Jason

I'll have a look in the morning and will report back my findings. I have an Haynes manual with some wiring diagrams, do you know where I might find a better wiring diagram.
Alan
 
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Thanks Jason
I'll give it a go :)
Alan
 
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Alan, please download the latest Beta version of VCDS and see if that works better in terms of loosing connection.

http://www.ross-tech.com/vcds/download/beta/current.html

As far as the radio issue goes which Jason mentioned, this shouldn't be an issue here - the RNS-E (which is shown in #37) is the same as #56 (radio and nav in one device), so we can pretty much exclude that possibility. However, there are definitely modules missing from that scan and it's therefor incomplete. Even though you seem to have an issue with the CAN wiring, diagnostics shouldn't be effected since they are using K-line only on the B6 and most parts of the B7 as well except powertrain related stuff. If nothing else helps, pull the fuses for #46/J433 and see if that revives it - we've seen cases in the past where a module would get stuck and behave odd - including creating confusions on more than one databus.
 
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As far as the radio issue goes which Jason mentioned, this shouldn't be an issue here - the RNS-E (which is shown in #37) is the same as #56 (radio and nav in one device), so we can pretty much exclude that possibility. However, there are definitely modules missing from that scan and it's therefor incomplete. Even though you seem to have an issue with the CAN wiring, diagnostics shouldn't be effected since they are using K-line only on the B6 and most parts of the B7 as well except powertrain related stuff.
Ah, I stand corrected.

Alan, please download the latest Beta version of VCDS and see if that works better in terms of loosing connection.

http://www.ross-tech.com/vcds/download/beta/current.html
Hrm... isn't this the type of car HUC firmware 1.93 was released to fix? I seem to remember reading about occasional interface crashes. I just checked and it seems 12.12.3 is still packaged with HUC firmware 1.92. I wonder if that would explain the OP's complaint of disconnecting from the car...

Alan: is your interface a HEX-USB+CAN? If so, you definitely want to get that Beta version like Sebastian recommended, and it's worth trying even if you have some other model of interface.

Jason
 
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Hrm... isn't this the type of car HUC firmware 1.93 was released to fix? I seem to remember reading about occasional interface crashes
Exactly.

I just checked and it seems 12.12.3 is still packaged with HUC firmware 1.92. I wonder if that would explain the OP's complaint of disconnecting from the car...
Yeah it pains me to see those scans with known issues that are fixed in the Betas (for instance incorrect freeze frame date--not on this car), but I understand that people who are not sure will go to the release first. Fortunately I only have to live with that for a few more days :)
12.12.3 comes with 1.92 because we wanted it to be as stable as possible and 1.93 hadn't gotten huge amounts of testing at the time 12.12.3 was released (through no fault of yours Jason :) )

Alan: is your interface a HEX-USB+CAN? If so, you definitely want to get that Beta version like Sebastian recommended, and it's worth trying even if you have some other model of interface.
Indeed, since the non-CAN interfaces were also affected and they received the same fix with FW 1.94 in 14.8.1 !
 
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Yeah it pains me to see those scans with known issues that are fixed in the Betas (for instance incorrect freeze frame date--not on this car), but I understand that people who are not sure will go to the release first. Fortunately I only have to live with that for a few more days
 
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Define "loses connection"... what exactly do you see from VCDS? It should keep trying control modules until the end of the Auto-Scan list. Some you'll have, some you won't

Hi Jason
I missed this sorry:o:o

Yes it loses connection. I have to pull the OBD 11plug out of the diagnostic port and then put it back in again. The scan always fail there though.:confused:

Yes there is a 46 comfort. I can access it without doing a scan.

Alan
 
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Hi All

I've installed the Beta version, which is great by the way. The scan now goes all the way to the end;)
Here is copy of my latest scan

Code:
Friday,10,October,2014,15:04:50:43688
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: 14.8.1.0 (x64)
Data version: 20140905


VIN: WAUZZZ8EX8A077446   License Plate: YC57 EXN
Mileage: 234060km-145438mi   Repair Order: NEW SCAN



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Chassis Type: 8E (8E - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B6/B7 (2001 > 2008))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 11 15 16 17 18 25 36 37 45 46 55 56 57 65
          67 69 75 76 77
 
VIN: WAUZZZ8EX8A077446   Mileage: 234060km-145438miles
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 03G-906-016-BKE.lbl
   Part No SW: 03G 906 016 JA    HW: 03G 906 016 JA
   Component: R4 1,9L EDC G000SG  8692  
   Revision: --H05---    Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
   Coding: 0000071
   Shop #: WSC 66565 257 00032
   VCID: 6BD5C65D4A2F58621C-803E

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8E0-910-517.clb
   Part No SW: 8E0 910 517 H    HW: 8E0 614 517 BF
   Component: ESP8 FRONT      H06 0140  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0004401
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 2C5705418FA19F5A55-8079

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8E0-820-043.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 820 043 BL
   Component:   A4 Klimaautomat   3233  
   Coding: 00000
   Shop #: WSC 00000  
   VCID: 6CD7C5411C215F5A15-5140

1 Fault Found:
01206 - Signal for Duration of Ignition Off Time 
            27-00 - Implausible Signal

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 8E0-907-279-8EC.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 907 279 N
   Component: int. Lastmodul  ECE 0907  
   Coding: 10001
   Shop #: WSC 06325  
   VCID: 3D71380537DB06D2F2-4B02

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8E0-959-655-94.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 959 655 G    HW: 8E0 959 655 G
   Component:    Airbag 9.41  H14 4230  
   Revision: 91H14423    Serial number: 0036M0GA2WZ/  
   Coding: 0031612
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 3B75361D7ACF08E2CC-806E

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332DRB405D28FA0-

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342DRB405F20B15N

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6352ARB402EA99FDB

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6362ARB402EA9994/

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 63729RB402A6AC3B.

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63829RB402A6A5B8-

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 8E0-953-549.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 953 549 Q
   Component: Lenksáulenmodul     0701  
   Coding: 00041
   Shop #: WSC 06325  
   VCID: 418944F54B23623296-4B02

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8EC.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 920 982 M    HW: 8E0 920 982 M
   Component: KOMBI+WFS 4     H10 0200  
   Revision: 0200        Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0006418
   Shop #: WSC 14557 512 00000
   VCID: 387F291148F923FA21-5140

1 Fault Found:
01304 - Radio 
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8EC.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 920 982 M    HW: 8E0 920 982 M
   Component: KOMBI+WFS 4     H10 0200  
   Revision: 0200        Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0006418
   Shop #: WSC 14557 512 00000
   VCID: 387F291148F923FA21-5140

1 Fault Found:
01304 - Radio 
            004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 37: Navigation        Labels: 8E0-035-192-RNSE.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 035 192 Q    HW: 8E0 035 192 Q
   Component: RNS-E HIGH EU   H74 0650  
   Revision:      04S    Serial number: AUZBZ7G1148312
   Coding: 0301113
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 326B1B39AE85C9AA1F-517A

2 Faults Found:
00856 - Radio Antenna 
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 89
                    Time Indication: 15

             Freeze Frame:
                    Mileage: 655350 km
                    Count: 65535
                    Clock: 255:255

01305 - Databus for Infotainment 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 89
                    Time Indication: 15


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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 8E0-959-433-MAX.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 959 433 CQ
   Component: Komfortgerát T3B    4336  
   Coding: 07915
   Shop #: WSC 06325  
   VCID: 020B8BF90EA5B92ACF-4B1A

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8E2959802F
   Component: Tõrsteuer.FS BRM 0606  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8E2959801F
   Component: Tõrsteuer.BF BRM 0606  

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 8E0959801E
   Component: Tõrsteuer.HL BRM 0606  

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8E0959802E
   Component: Tõrsteuer.HR BRM 0606  

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-192-RNSE.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 035 192 Q    HW: 8E0 035 192 Q
   Component: RNS-E HIGH EU   H74 0650  
   Revision:      04S    Serial number: AUZBZ7G1148312
   Coding: 0301113
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 326B1B39AE85C9AA1F-517A

2 Faults Found:
00856 - Radio Antenna 
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 89
                    Time Indication: 15

             Freeze Frame:
                    Mileage: 655350 km
                    Count: 65535
                    Clock: 255:255

01305 - Databus for Infotainment 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 89
                    Time Indication: 15


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Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 8E0-919-283-8EC.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 919 283 D    HW: 8E0 919 283 D
   Component: Parkhilfe 4-Kan H06 0010  
   Revision: 00H06000    Serial number: 00067802020724
   Coding: 0000004
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 31691435AB83F2B266-515C

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 06:15)--------------------------
 
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Montgomery, NY, USA
VCDS Serial number
C?ID=57337
Check antenna connections at radio and antenna or for open via wire diagrams with wiggle test being observed in VCDS blocks or use of multi-meter.
 
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