Polo 6R - power steering not working - training them arms

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So, my cute little Polo Bluemotion is perfectly fine except for that it's broken in a very annoying way.
It has decided not to waste anymore energy on power steering. Not the best thing to happen with 215 wide tires. 01288 and 00566 DTCs.

It all started when the fire nation attacked of course. But yesterday, during a normal drive, I suddenly lost power steering on the highway.
No light, no notification, just failed. I pulled over and checked the fuse in the battery compartment for the thick wire and the fuse for Terminal 15. Both were OK.
Switched off the engine and restarted, but no effect. Tested steering angle sensor; static cornering lights were OK. So, the problem was hereby isolated to the power steering pump system.

Today I took some more time to pull off the connectors and inspect them for water ingress. Nothing special to see, no copper green discolouration and verified resistance and voltage with multimeter.
CAN, power, GND, all good. Battery voltage is well above 12V, and engine starts and runs without any hassle. Generator produces a healthy 14.4V as well.

I was able to enter the pump with VCDS and interrogate the advanced measurement values.
+15 was OK but +30 was 1.86V, rather less than the 14.x V measured at the connector.
So I gave both ends of the connector a quick squirt of WD40 and a good wash with a cotton swab.

Did some googling for 01288 and this is mostly pointing to fuses and battery. I connected the wire to a different fuse of 200A and still no regain of function.
--> http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/01288

So I'm now with my - very muscular- hands in the proverbial hairs (this joke works better in my Dutch mother tongue, forgive me).

scan, the errors in 09 and 55 are due to the headlight being removed for acces to the SA pump.

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Saturday,19,May,2018,19:24:43:11868
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x86(VirtualBox)
VCDS Version 18.2.0.3  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4411.4
Data version: 20180212 DS287.0
www.Ross-Tech.com

Workshop Code: 123 12345 012345

VIN: WVWZZZ6RZBYxxxxx License Plate: 
Mileage:  Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 6R-VW25 (7E0)
Scan: 01 03 04 05 08 09 10 15 17 19 20 25 2B 2E 37 44 47 55 56 57
          61 69 6C 77

VIN: WVWZZZ6RZBYxxxxx   Mileage: 

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
20-High Beam Assist. -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2B-Steer. Col. Lock -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: Malfunction 0010
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
57-TV Tuner -- Status: OK 0000
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (J000-CFWA)       Labels:. 03P-906-021-CFW.clb
   Part No SW: 03P 906 021 B    HW: 03P 907 425 
   Component: R3 1.2l TDI   H06 9980  
   Revision: 12005001    Serial number:               
   Coding: 00114036033401080000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM12TDI03103P906021B 001043
   ROD: EV_ECM12TDI03103P906021AA.rod
   VCID: 270B06DDAF6FF1FF132-8073

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 6R0-907-37x-ESP90.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 AS    HW: 6R0 907 379 AS
   Component: ESP9.0i front H02 0002  
   Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 21DD4885432500C5841A126EC25500521505
   Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00138
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCH 003020
   ROD: EV_Brake1ESP90iBOSCH_003_VW21.rod
   VCID: 0F7B4E7D27DF89BFFB2-805B

No fault code found.

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Address 04: Steering Angle (G085)       Labels:* 6R0-959-654.clb
   Part No SW: 6RA 959 654     HW: 6RA 959 654 
   Component: LENKW.SENSOR  H02 0020  
   Serial number: 090465LBH0000C
   Coding: 01
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_LWSKLOVW25X 005002
   ROD: EV_LWSKLOVW25X.rod
   VCID: 0F7B4E7D27DF89BFFB2-805B

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J518)       Labels:| 5K0-959-434.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 434 E    HW: 5K0 959 434 
   Component: VWKESSYPQ35GP 092 1202  
   Revision: 00092000    Serial number: 0346244897
   Coding: 030C0C
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_KESSYPQ35G A02717
   ROD: EV_KESSY_PQ35GP.rod
   VCID: 372BD69D7FCF617F832-8063

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: 6R0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 044 H    HW: 6R0 907 044 H
   Component: Climatronic   H12 0812  
   Revision: V0000000    
   VCID: 3829D5A172516E078A8-806D

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 937 090     HW: 7E0 937 090 
   Component: BCM PQ25 Max4 H80 0733  
   Revision: B9080001    Serial number: 0771 092150183
   Coding: 3CB02FF828CB2400933906E2FFEB9FD0808260EF608D78D0B0A050030820
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 688945E162713E87DA8-803D

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5K7 955 559 B  Labels: 5K7-955-559.CLB
   Component: RLS 140415 03  37  0059 
   Coding: 0380DD

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 BD    HW: 6R0 959 801 BD  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  003 8611 
   Serial number: KU0KU011111300010103
   Coding: 0200A3

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 BF    HW: 6R0 959 802 BF  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  003 8611 
   Serial number: KU0KU007111300016463
   Coding: 1000AB

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 A
   Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0103 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 5 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 6 - Part No: 1K8 951 171 A
   Component: DWA-Sensor 00  001 0103 
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 6C0 959 442 C    HW: 6C0 959 442 C
   Component: E221__MFL-DC1  H04 0103 
   Serial number: 29160000978830096203
   Coding: A80000

   Subsystem 8 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 B    HW: 6R0 959 811 B
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  002 0803 
   Serial number: KU0-KU008.06.0910897
   Coding: 08BC32

   Subsystem 9 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 B    HW: 6R0 959 812 B
   Component: J389__TSG_HR  002 0803 
   Serial number: KU0-KU004.06.0913330
   Coding: 08BC32

2 Faults Found:
02745 - Bulb for Daytime Running Light; Left 
            010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101010
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 252
                    Mileage: 69806 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2018.05.19
                    Time: 18:19:22

03645 - Output Module for LED Headlamps; Left 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101100
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 252
                    Mileage: 69806 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2018.05.19
                    Time: 18:19:46


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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:| 7E0-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 919 475 L    HW: 7N0 919 475 
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H06 0106  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 28231422402620
   Coding: 318001
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_VW75XParkAssis8K 001003
   ROD: EV_EPHVA18VW250GPCS_VW25.rod
   VCID: 3B23CAAD43E7451F67A-806F

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 959 655 K    HW: 6R0 959 655 K
   Component: VW10Airbag01M H10 0020  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003GX0142TCE
   Coding: 00314D
   Shop #: WSC 01383 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250 A01001
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW250.rod
   VCID: 4ACD9F691C3DEC97ECC-801F

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3575HRB40650BI7U48C8

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3585HRB405J09RECEOUJ

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3515RRB405T0BTBEF9G7

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3525RRB405R0BTBEKPFQ

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 6R0 920 870 A    HW: 6R0 920 870 A
   Component: KOMBI         H04 0709  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 140E01
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04723
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW25.rod
   VCID: 3333E28D6BB78D5FBFA-8067

1 Fault Found:
13638912 - Function Restricted due to Missing Message(s) 
          U1111 00 [008] - -
          [Steuerger‰t f¸r Lenkhilfe: keine Kommunikation]
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 3
                    Reset counter: 252
                    Mileage: 69806 km
                    Date: 2018.05.19
                    Time: 17:58:10


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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7E0-909-901.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 909 901     HW: 7E0 937 090 
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H80 0733  
   Revision: B9080001    
   Coding: 042200
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 688945E162713E87DA8-803D

No fault code found.

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Address 20: High Beam Assist. (J844)       Labels:| 8S0-857-511.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 857 511 G    HW: 7E0 857 511 E
   Component: FLA           H10 0003  
   Revision: AA001001    
   Coding: 040400E200000100000000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HighBeamAssisAU316 001004
   ROD: EV_HighBeamAssisAU316.rod
   VCID: 2E05F3F98095A0B7D04-807B

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H04 0709  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 000007
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
   VCID: 6A8D3FE97CFD0C97CCC-803F

No fault code found.

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Address 2B: Steer. Col. Lock (J764)       Labels:| 5K0-905-861.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 905 861 B    HW: 5K0 905 861 B
   Component: ELV-PQ35      H20 0240  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 11000256123005
   Coding: 4100000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ELVMarquMPVW36X A01001
   ROD: EV_ELVMarquMPVW36X.rod
   VCID: 2F3BEEFD879FA9BFDB2-807B

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650)       Labels:. 5N0-035-342.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 G    HW: 5N0 035 342 G
   Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H19 0770  
   Revision: A1001003    Serial number: 7666620365    
   Coding: 010100
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 2B03FAEDB307D59FF7A-807F

No fault code found.

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Address 37: Navigation (J0506)       Labels:. 1T0-035-680.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 035 686 E    HW: 1T0 035 686 H
   Component: RNS-MID       H26 6276  
   Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7P1950254
   Coding: 00070002010000A10001
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 3635DB9978459877984-8063

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T0 919 859 B
   Component: EU West V15  8515 

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 6Q0-423-156.clb
   Part No: 6R0 423 156 B
   Component: LenkhilfeTRW        V277  
   Coding: 11221
   Shop #: WSC 12345  
   VCID: 2F3BEEFD8E5FA9BFDB2-807B

2 Faults Found:
00566 - Steering Assistance Operation 
            27-00 - Implausible Signal
01288 - Terminal 30; Steering Assist 
            07-00 - Signal too Low

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Address 47: Sound System (R12)       Labels: 5K0-035-456.clb
   Part No SW: 5C6 035 456 C    HW: 5C6 035 456 C
   Component: KonzernAmp10K H08 6831  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: EAA098C0000052
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AudioVerst10KanalSTT4 001001
   ROD: EV_AudioVerst10KanalSTT4.rod
   VCID: 280905E1A271FE871A8-807D

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range (J431)       Labels:. 6R0-907-357.clb
   Part No SW: 6R0 907 357     HW: 6R0 907 357 
   Component: LWR-ECU       H02 0070  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 0192000001000000
   Shop #: WSC 00788 648 00255
   ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRPt 001004
   ROD: EV_HeadlRegulVWLWRPt_VW25.rod
   VCID: 77AB169D3F4FA17F432-8023

1 Fault Found:
5276949 - Positioning Motor for Headlight Range Left 
          C1085 15 [008] - Open or Short to Plus
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 252
                    Mileage: 69806 km
                    Date: 2018.05.19
                    Time: 18:19:20


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Address 56: Radio (J0506)       Labels:. 1T0-035-680.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 035 686 E    HW: 1T0 035 686 H
   Component: RNS-MID       H26 6276  
   Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7P1950254
   Coding: 00070002010000A10001
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 3635DB9978459877984-8063

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T0 919 859 B
   Component: EU West V15  8515 

No fault code found.

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Address 57: TV Tuner        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 3C0 919 148 B    HW: 3C0 919 148 
   Component: R78 DTV-JP          0250  
   Revision: R0H14000    Serial number: 80100800042102
   Coding: 0000816
   Shop #: WSC 01324 020 00200
   VCID: 280905E1AEF1FE871A8-807D

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F0 919 805 
   Component: R204 TVKLeser       0010

No fault code found.

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Address 61: Battery Regul. (J840)       Labels:. 1K0-907-534.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 907 534     HW: 7E0 937 090 
   Component: Batt.regelung H80 0733  
   Serial number: 0771 092150183
   Coding: 030F1A5A
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 688945E162713E87DA8-803D

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 6C0 915 181     HW: 6C0 915 181 
   Component: J367-BDM  H08 0223 
   Serial number: 61083A44504351928092

No fault code found.

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Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels:. 1K0-907-383-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 383 E    HW: 1K0 907 383 E
   Component: Anhaenger     H07 0080  
   Revision: 3A002002    Serial number: 00000116932377
   Coding: 0100000100000000
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 2F3BEEFD871FA9BFDB2-807B

No fault code found.

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Address 6C: Back-up Cam.        Labels: 5N0-907-441.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 907 441     HW: 7E0 907 441 
   Component: J772__Rearview      0040  
   Revision: 00H08000    Serial number: 525PA8-J060533
   Coding: 0030115
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   VCID: 65974CD5996323EFE1E-8031

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels:| 3C8-035-730-A.clb
   Part No SW: 3C8 035 730 E    HW: 3C8 035 730 E
   Component: Telefon       025 0983  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 35502105254406
   Coding: 020100000100010000000101
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVPremi 002709
   ROD: EV_UHVPremi.rod
   VCID: 25170CD5D563E3EF21E-8071

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 02:27, VBatt start/end: 14.5V/14.3V)-----------
 
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Sounds like a conductor (or contact?) inside the pump has failed?

Have you got some way of measuring current being pulled by that terminal 30?

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Well my multimeter only goes up to 10A. After that, I'll have to settle for a 5A gap while burning fuses (15A 20A 25A 30A 40A)
 
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Well my multimeter only goes up to 10A. After that, I'll have to settle for a 5A gap while burning fuses (15A 20A 25A 30A 40A)
Somehow, I doubt it's drawing much, if anything.

But as a general trouble-shooting technique: You can use a fuse as a current-measuring shunt. Put a known load on the fuse (e.g. a headlight bulb). Measure voltage drop across the fuse (millivolts). This will allow you to calculate the resistance of the fuse. Then replace the known load with the unknown load and measure voltage drop across the fuse again. Since you know the resistance of the fuse and the voltage drop across it, you can easily calculate the current being drawn by the unknown load.

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I'll first give it a shot with a regular 10A fuse. If it survives, it's safe for the multimeter.
But as you say, it probably won't draw a lot of current, the pump motor is certainly not powered.
 
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Hey iichel............ ;)

Run an additional heavy ground strap to the unit pump motor directly and see if it helps.
 
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Hi Jack! Thanks for thinking along with me. Ran a new 16mm2 wire to GND point and additionally, cleaned the GND point and all the other wires on it, without any result.
 
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Hi Jack! Thanks for thinking along with me. Ran a new 16mm2 wire to GND point and additionally, cleaned the GND point and all the other wires on it, without any result.
It was worth a shot .......

I have had good luck cleaning up the pump motors internally & when they die due to corrosion making way inside, if power/ground is actually at the module and pump.

Not one so far couldn't be revived other than collision damage cars.
 
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Will do Jack. First I'll get my hands on some hydraulic fluids and a spare pump that can be returned, if not needed.
 
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Here in the USA we use the Pentosin 202 or if me anything you can find if it is my own just to see if it causes destruction.... :p

So far ATF of all types tried here works fine, with exception in cold weather below 10 degrees F is slightly noisy but works and noise subsides if engine is warmed up so who cares I figure.
 
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Jack, I'm calling defeat on this pump. I'm afraid there is no way of reaching its electrical guts.
The upper part with the pump mechanics can be opened but the lower part is sealed off.









 
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Another update. Is anyone still reading? Probably, yes. If not, too bad, you're missing out on great stuff...
So I put the pump back and there is still the Terminal 30 and Steering Assist operation DTC as before. So I haven't been able to repair the pump so far, that's a bit of a pity.
I suspect corrosion damage since there was indeed some water ingress.
But I can only reach one side of the PCB so I'll have to find a trick to get to the other side.

For now, dealing with the situation and I'm looking into fitting an oil-less system in the passenger compartment, nice and dry.
But that will take some time since I'm running into some G85 issues. But as soon as the time is there' I'll put some effort into doing that properly.

I put the car back together now without the pump and took the opportunity to re-organise some wiring in the front left for the new headlights, twin tone fanfare etc.
So I guess that's the positive. Tidying up wiring always makes me happy.
 
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FYI, you've got a rare(-ish, at least as far as we're concerned in the US) module that uses TP1.6 (probably 1281, which is even rarer) for diagnostics with that pump. I'd keep it and put it on a bench to talk to scan tools, if you don't have space constraints :)
 
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It's dead (to me) so if you're looking forward to an early christmas present, let me know :cool: :thumbs:
 
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Don't give up man.... Pull pin/clip if supported and it pulls
Right out. Heat with heat gun!
The shaft can be tapped with plastic punch or brass.
I am skilled with the air hammer and they pop right out.
Eric will vouch he has seen me be nimble with wiper arms at lower windshield with mini butane torch and use the vibrations to get penetrating fluid in.
Shove the whole unit in ultra sound tank with oven cleaner and water or CLR.

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Hi Jack, yes, I already came this far. The thing is, I can't to the bottom of the PCB, on the other side.
Technically it's the top and I think that's where any moisture could stick and corrode. I'm afraid this has been the case.
I can't get a proper clean of the top unfortunately. I can't see how to get of the PCB off the pump body.

 
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Very good!

Now tap hit it out from the reverse side.

Spray the pins and soak them in the plastic plug to board with fluid so they extract easy.

If afraid soak the whole thing in oven cleaner and aerate the water in bucket then dry out with heat gun and give it a try.

or

Muscle fuck it and extract everything with brute force & so you can see how to do it for the future as a training lesson!

 
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