Brake lights and Horn on with Terminal 15 off - no-go in Jetta Mk. VI?

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I found these bits in Central Electronics on our 2012 Beetle Base and 2015 Passat SEL as well as my Jetta (2017 SEL). For the Beetle and Passat, it was as simple as checking the associated bits in VCDS and done.

Not so in the Jetta Mk. VI. Whether I have these bits checked or not, I cannot activate my horn or brake lights with the ignition off.

Are there additional settings buried in some other controller?
 
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Whether I have these bits checked or not
It seems as though you may need another module to be installed which may have some sort of relay included to make it work.
 
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Autoscan would be nice
 
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Autoscan would be nice
Up, reviving the topic. I can't get my horn to honk with the ignition turned off. 2016 Jetta.

Autoscan :
Code:
Sunday,21,July,2019,21:53:34:44035
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.1.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: 3VW3A7AJ6GM******   License Plate: *******
Mileage: 3470km-2156mi   Repair Order: 2 Telematics OK and Edits



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Chassis Type: AJ-VW36 (7E0)
Scan: 01 03 04 05 08 09 15 17 19 25 2B 44 47 5F 75

VIN: 3VW3A7AJ6GM******   Mileage: 3470km-2156miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2B-Steer. Col. Lock -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
75-Telematics -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-DELA)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 04L 906 016 MC    HW: 04L 907 309 K
   Component: R4 2.0l TDI   H20 4450  
   Revision: 8AH20---    
   Coding: 01190012042410095000
   Shop #: WSC 20200 993 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906016MC 004002
   ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01104L906016MC.rod
   VCID: 76B5E6E9E84DFD87E05-8022

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 CB    HW: 1K0 907 379 CB
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H46 0174  
   Revision: 00H46001    
   Coding: A14B400C492300FC850F02E7921C004221100012
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
   VCID: 74B1DCE1FEB1EF97DE1-8020

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J518)       Labels:| 5K0-959-434.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 434 E    HW: 5K0 959 434 
   Component: VWKESSYPQ35GP 092 1202  
   Revision: 00092000    Serial number: 0368374703
   Coding: 030C0C
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00018
   ASAM Dataset: EV_KESSYPQ35G A02717
   ROD: EV_KESSYPQ35G_A02_VW31.rod
   VCID: 372B2BEDAFC7448F3B3-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 5K0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 1K8 907 044 Q    HW: 1K8 907 044 Q
   Component: Climatronic   H05 0304  
   Revision: 00001K03    
   Coding: 0050019002
   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00318
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01010
   ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_VW36.rod
   VCID: 3D2739C58DFB6EDFE1F-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 937 189     HW: 7E0 937 189 
   Component: BCM PQ25 MMI3 H80 0733  
   Revision: BA080001    Serial number: 18003183150699
   Coding: 72994FBF48AB0F00093926807EE896C52D86700E60842130B0A0500B2844
   Shop #: WSC 18930 003 104857
   VCID: 71BFD5F581A3DABF357-8024

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
   Component: RLS 270515 05  54  0403 
   Coding: 06300A

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 801 AN    HW: 6R0 959 801 AN  Labels: 6R0-959-801.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  006 5461 
   Serial number: 14102585150618081238
   Coding: 820000

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 802 AS    HW: 6R0 959 802 AS  Labels: 6R0-959-802.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  006 5461 
   Serial number: 14102584150612144508
   Coding: 820000

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 591 A    HW: 6R0 959 591 D
   Component: J245 PS41.402  H03 0004 
   Serial number: 0000FST0009097P00000
   Coding: 180000

   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 6C0 959 442 A    HW: 6C0 959 442 A
   Component: E221__MFL-TAT  H04 0019 
   Serial number: 1701510224300841AD1B
   Coding: 280000

   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 811 M    HW: 6R0 959 811 M
   Component: J388__TSG_HL  006 5460 
   Serial number: 14102587150620190552
   Coding: 800000

   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 6R0 959 812 M    HW: 6R0 959 812 M
   Component: J389__TSG_HR  006 5460 
   Serial number: 14102586150619145341
   Coding: 800000

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:* 561-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 561 959 655     HW: 561 959 655 
   Component: AirbagVW11    001 0207  
   Serial number: 003RXM0077R/
   Coding: 8CCCF000000000005000001AC20800000065
   Shop #: WSC 55286 001 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW11SMEVW411 001002
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW11SMEVW411_VW32.rod
   VCID: 6393AFBD4BDF782FB7B-8036

   Seat occupied recognition: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4M0 959 339 B    HW: 4M0 959 339 B
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H11 0021 
   Serial number: IBH00000000000328SCD
   Coding: 303146

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 000 505 15
   Component: SideSensor_Df  001 0887 
   Serial number: 357000000008F255241E

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 000 505 15
   Component: SideSensor_Pf  001 0887 
   Serial number: 35800000000CB155241E

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 021 305 15
   Component: SideSensor_Dr  000 0148 
   Serial number: 3510001C519BDF22B44D

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 021 305 15
   Component: SideSensor_Pr  000 0148 
   Serial number: 3520001BB19BDF2553FQ

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 020 605 15
   Component: FrontSensor_D  000 0189 
   Serial number: 3550001AD19BDF23730F

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
   Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: -----------    HW: 480 020 605 15
   Component: FrontSensor_P  000 0189 
   Serial number: 3560001AD19BDF21B2BS

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 5C6 920 955     HW: 5C6 920 955 
   Component: KOMBI         H04 1007  
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 170A010000
   Shop #: WSC 36656 002 1048576
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A05730
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_005_VW25.rod
   VCID: 6C81C481A6013757061-8038

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7E0-909-901.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 909 901     HW: 7E0 937 189 
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H80 0733  
   Revision: BA080001    
   Coding: 102203
   Shop #: WSC 18930 003 104857
   VCID: 6889B891B2791B77629-803C

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H04 1007  
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000007
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00318
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
   VCID: 6A8DC299ACF5296774D-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 2B: Steer. Col. Lock (J764)       Labels:* 5K0-905-861.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 905 861 C    HW: 5K0 905 861 C
   Component: ELV-PQ35      H21 0240  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 15000125678002
   Coding: 4100000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00066 790 00318
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ELVMarquMPVW36X A01001
   ROD: EV_ELVMarquMPVW36X.rod
   VCID: 303910F14AA993B77A9-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 R
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 306    3501  
   Revision: 00H22000    
   Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
   VCID: 392F2DD5955352FFCD7-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (R12)       Labels: 5K0-035-456.clb
   Part No SW: 5C6 035 456 C    HW: 5C6 035 456 C
   Component: KonzernAmp10K H08 6831  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: EAA098C0058171
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AudioVerst10KanalSTT3 S01001
   ROD: EV_AudioVerst10KanalSTT3.rod
   VCID: 2809F8917279DB77A29-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-STD2.clb
   Part No SW: 5C0 035 684     HW: 5C0 035 684 
   Component: MU-S-NS-US    H21 0241  
   Serial number: VWZAZ2R0260771
   Coding: 02630102AA00000051110003001808001F0100D400200105CE
   Shop #: WSC 62743 001 104857
   ASAM Dataset: EV_MUStd4CTSAT 001022
   ROD: EV_MUStd4CTSAT_VW36.rod
   VCID: 629DAAB954C57127BCD-8036

   Data medium: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5NA 919 866 N    HW: -----------
   Component: MRM3 2019/20  --- 1115 
   Serial number: --------------------

No fault code found.

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Address 75: Telematics (J949)       Labels:| 12E-035-284.clb
   Part No SW: 561 035 285 A    HW: 561 035 285 A
   Component: OCULowUSA     020 0156  
   Serial number: 000003554140539
   Coding: 02630102C04232007F1606000000
   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_OCULow 002009
   ROD: EV_OCULow_002.rod
   VCID: 1471BC61DEF14F977E1-8040

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:31, VBatt start/end: 12.3V/12.3V)-----------
 
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I feel this is a CECM limitation which simply can't be "coded in". I suspect you would have to do an "old-school" wiring with an additional relay to get this working like any other non-VAG vehicle. I'm in the same boat as you are
 
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I feel this is a CECM limitation which simply can't be "coded in". I suspect you would have to do an "old-school" wiring with an additional relay to get this working like any other non-VAG vehicle. I'm in the same boat as you are
I mean...the wiring is probably to be done with the steering wheel. Since the acoustic signal (honking) while locking the doors is working, the alarm is working, the panic thingy is working, all without ignition on. So I'm pretty sure it's not about the honk itself.
 
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I have gone through all 255 adaptation channels and the long coding labels for MY car, and have concluded that it isn't possible for my car.

My suggestion to you is to fire up your trusty soldering iron, and brush upon your good-old-fashioned electrical skills, as I foresee some good old hard-wiring of the horn with an analog relay to fix the issue.


What you are saying above is plausible, but the option isn't listed for that module (whether coding or adaptation channel). Otherwise, you would have to fool the CECM into staying ON all the time (draining your battery).
 
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I feel kind of stupid...

 
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