2010 Audi Q5 3.2 (CALB) noise under 1-3 valve cover & #3 misfire

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I am trying to figure out what the noise is that sounds like a marble rolling around near the #3 cylinder of my 2010 Audi Q5 with the 3.2 (CALB) engine. I also have a misfire on #3 that I have not been able to figure out. I have cleaned the intake valves (walnut blasting) and I have replaced the #3 fuel injector. I have also switched the coil packs around and the problem stays with the #3 cylinder. I have removed the valve cover and looked at the valve train and I have not seen anything that is out of place or broken from what I can tell.

Any help would be great.

Here is a link to the video of the noise. https://youtu.be/gVYgbamOHRI

Thanks in advance.
 
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I should also add that I have performed a running compression check and Cyl #2 pumped up to 80 psi and Cyl #3 was from 70-75 psi.
 
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Well, if cilinder 3 makes a noise, throws a DTC, the valve train and injector of that cilinder are okay and a compression test shows a (although small) difference:

It might actually be cylinder 3.

Visual check with a cam through the spark plug hole?
 
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Well I have done a bit more to look into this issue. I removed the valve cover and started the engine so I could look around. See the below video.

https://youtu.be/yN5p-HbSnwY

My running compression check results are Cyl #2 pumped up to 80 psi and Cyl #3 was from 70-75 psi.

I also checked the voltage to the #3 coil pack and pin # 1 -> 2 was 12.26VDC and pin # 1 -> 4 was 12.26VDC as well. I then checked for continuity between pin #3 at the coil pack and pin 8 at the connector and it was good and showed .3 to .4 ohms of resistance (I thin the spec is 0.5 +/-0.3). I am not sure on the next steps for trouble shooting the misfire. I was thinking of checking the voltage at the injector but that requires taking off the intake manifold again. Not the end of the world just trying to limit the on and off of the intake as it is plastic and has plastic threads. Can VCDS tell me if the injector is working properly?

Code:
Wednesday,28,March,2018,19:25:58:30945
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 18.2.0.3 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4411.4
Data version: 20180212 DS287.0
www.Ross-Tech.com

Workshop Code: 444 03743 000001

VIN: WA1VKBFP5AA066307   License Plate: 
Mileage: 178600km-110976mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: FP-AU48 (8T0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 36 3C 42 46 47 52 53 55 56
          5F 62 69 6C 6D 72

VIN: WA1VKBFP5AA066307   Mileage: 178600km-110976miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
3C-Lane Change -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000
6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CALB)       Labels:| 06E-907-559-CAL.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 559 G    HW: 8F0 907 559 A
   Component: 3.2 SIMOS8.2  H06 0004  
   Revision: --------    
   Coding: 0121000A190F0921
   Shop #: WSC 03743 444 00001
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM32FSI0218R0907559G 001004
   ROD: EV_ECM32FSI.rod
   VCID: 44D244B70E1C5137160-8010

2 Faults Found:
7117 - Cylinder 3 
          P0303 00 [236] - Misfire Detected
          MIL ON - Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Mileage: 178421 km
                    Date: 2018.03.26
                    Time: 17:23:45

                    Engine speed: 838.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 24.7 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 37 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 27 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 890 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 13.304 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Engine speed: actual: 1504 /min
                    MAF_ENVD: 179.75294 mg/stroke
                    Coolant temperature (unfiltered): 29.3 °C
                    Engine: operating status: PU
                    T_AST_ENVD: 0.00 s
                    Vehicle speed: actual: 19 km/h

7123 - Cylinder 6 
          P0306 00 [100] - Misfire Detected
          Intermittent - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 178460 km
                    Date: 2018.03.27
                    Time: 05:29:07

                    Engine speed: 838.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 24.7 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 37 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 27 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 890 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 13.304 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Engine speed: actual: 832 /min
                    MAF_ENVD: 147.07058 mg/stroke
                    Coolant temperature (unfiltered): 37.5 °C
                    Engine: operating status: IS
                    T_AST_ENVD: 25.70 s
                    Vehicle speed: actual: 0 km/h

Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217)       Labels:| 0B6-927-156.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 927 158 F    HW: 0B6 927 156 
   Component: 0B6 32 FSIUSA H05 0005  
   Revision: --H05---    
   Coding: 001012
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL651 A01006
   ROD: EV_TCMAL651.rod
   VCID: 40DA48A71A044D17328-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 8R0-907-379-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 379 M    HW: 8R0 907 379 M
   Component: ESP8 quattro  H06 0020  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 049D18
   Shop #: WSC 03743 444 00001
   VCID: 4ACE6A8F2CB88747ECC-801E

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-05.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 CS    HW: 8K0 907 064 CS
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H06 0435  
   Revision: 00002001    
   Coding: 0D0500
   Shop #: WSC 46304 001 1048576
   VCID: 035087AB4B12960F6FA-8056

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 959 754 G    HW: 8T0 959 754 G
   Component: FBSAUDIB8 IDG  H38 0060 
   Serial number: 0509000069518017    

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 D    HW: 8K0 905 852 D
   Component: J764 ELV MLB  H37 0042 
   Serial number: 0209000098651002    

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:. 8Tx-820-043-3Z.clb
   Part No SW: 8T1 820 043 AK    HW: 8T1 820 043 AK
   Component: KLIMA 3 ZONEN H08 0171  
   Revision: C1000000    Serial number: 01141220091107
   Coding: 46112000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 7AAEFA4F3CD8D7C73CC-802E

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 8K0-907-063.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 P    HW: 8K0 907 063 P
   Component: BCM1 1.0      H25 0380  
   Revision: 10025001    Serial number: 00000000417052
   Coding: 26001091063CAF010000080300001D0D0F1C660800010161000000
   Shop #: WSC 03743 444 00001
   VCID: 3C223C57766C29F76E0-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R1 955 119 A    HW: 8R1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: WWS416 091207  H10 0041 
   Serial number: 90243014091204014919
   Coding: 01DD13

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 955 559     HW: 8K0 955 559   Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
   Component: RLS  H04 0003 
   Serial number: 10714987            
   Coding: 024D25

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 AL    HW: 8K0 941 531 AL
   Component: E1 - LDS  H08 0090 
   Serial number: 00000000001202101104

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 8K0 907 410 B    HW: 8K0 907 410 B
   Component: HOMELINK  H01 0010 

No fault code found.

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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:. 8K0-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 919 475 J    HW: 8K0 919 475 A
   Component: PARKHILFE 8K  H06 0050  
   Revision: 11001001    Serial number: 39840934906581
   Coding: 310105
   Shop #: WSC 03743 444 00001
   VCID: 40DA48A71A844D17328-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 8R0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 959 655 D    HW: 8R0 959 655 D
   Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H39 0560  
   Serial number: 003FRD056EEB  
   Coding: 303333313432303030304A55304C38523053
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaAU10SMEAU416 002004
   ROD: EV_AirbaAU10SMEAU416.rod
   VCID: 45D459B30526683F01E-8010

   Seat occupied recognition: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R0 959 339     HW: 8R0 959 339 
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H01 0030 
   Serial number: 5810000R0900002AJJ

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 6334MSME4F054A3DR

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6344MSME4E34321FK

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Serial number: 6352QSME3048093AE

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6362QSME344714146

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 63732SME7C472F069

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 63832SME79472432 

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:. 8K0-953-568.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 F    HW: 8K0 953 568 F
   Component: Lenks.Modul   H16 0014  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 90315ILC0007Y 
   Coding: 000017
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3D2431536D7620FF59E-8068

   Component: E221 - MFL  H02 0003 

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:. 8R0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 920 980 K    HW: 8R0 920 980 K
   Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H10 0255  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: CJK267ED9     
   Coding: 8B1622000300D705020000
   Shop #: WSC 03743 444 00001
   VCID: 41DC4DA3118E441F3D6-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 8T0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 907 468 AA    HW: 8T0 907 468 L
   Component: GW-BEM 5CAN-M H10 0105  
   Revision: FB900055    Serial number: 5500F09B278112
   Coding: 00C303
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 005A88A75A048D17728-8054

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R0 915 181     HW: 8R0 915 181 
   Component: J367-BDM  H07 0107 
   Serial number: 00000000004140857887

No fault code found.

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J136)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 8R0 959 760 B    HW: 8R0 959 760 B
   Component: MEM-FS        H06 0074  
   Revision: AA000000    Serial number: 00001001375831
   Coding: 00581B00000044440000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 40DA48A71A844D17328-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 3C: Lane Change        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 566     HW: 4L0 907 566 A
   Component: J0769_SWA_MasterH10 0040  
   Revision: 00H10000    Serial number: 6PZ 009 014-04
   Coding: 0010009
   Shop #: WSC 03743 444 00001
   VCID: 7BA0FF4B3FE2EECF27A-802E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 907 568 
   Component: J0770_SWA_Slave_H08 0040

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6PZ 009 014-24

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 5F02.12.0900H080003CL11009ÿ

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: L11009ÿ

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:. 8K0-959-793.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 793 H    HW: 8K0 959 793 D
   Component: TSG FA        H11 0306  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000009804022 
   Coding: 011D13205E00440004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 45D459B305A6683F01E-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-46.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 CS    HW: 8K0 907 064 CS
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H06 0435  
   Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0188028431    
   Coding: 0126023A207A748104B0053200000000
   Shop #: WSC 46304 001 1048576
   VCID: 035087AB4B12960F6FA-8056

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 719     HW: 8K0 959 719 
   Component: GTO BF  H06 0050 
   Serial number: 00000000000000203357

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels:. 8T0-035-223-BOM.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 035 223 AL    HW: 8T0 035 223 H
   Component: DSP Prem      H09 0200  
   Revision: 00009001    Serial number: 34890000552402
   VCID: 78AAE04702D4C5D74A8-802C

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:. 8K0-959-792.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 792 H    HW: 8K0 959 792 D
   Component: TSG BF        H11 0306  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000009749916 
   Coding: 011D13205E00440004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 44D244B70E9C5137160-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake (J540)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V1.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 H    HW: 8K0 907 801 H
   Component: EPB Audi B8   H09 0100  
   Revision: 00000003    Serial number: 10000000396427
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 343214775E3CE1B7A60-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 8K0-907-357.clb
   Part No: 8K0 907 357 B
   Component: Dynamische LWR  H01 0030  
   Revision: 00000001    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000006
   Shop #: WSC 06334 000 00000
   VCID: 34321477523CE1B7A60-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (R)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 4F0 035 082 A    HW: 4F0 035 082 
   Component: Radio U SIRIU H45 0021  
   Revision: AB001007    Serial number: 335L 097543903
   Coding: 020000010000000001
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 1D64D1D3CDB640FF79E-8048

1 Fault Found:
02981 - Connection between Radio and Impedance Converter 1 
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 131
                    Mileage: 178371 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2018.03.24
                    Time: 12:26:19

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 12.10 V


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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:. 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb
   Part No SW: 8T1 035 664 B    HW: 8T1 035 664 B
   Component: H-BN-NA       H47 0042  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 490L 097541552
   Coding: 010200060005A1EF51000B0E000000030000
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 3728237B4F4A0AAF832-8062

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 F
   Component: NAR 2009/2010  5304 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 4F0 919 604     HW: 4F0 919 604 
   Component: DU7 High  H43 0306 
   Serial number: 9356B+0A1196977     

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 609 G    HW: 8T0 919 609 G
   Component: E0380 Bedient  H08 0100 
   Serial number: 00000000973108      

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8R0 906 961 A
   Component: CD-Database  1293 

1 Fault Found:
02244 - Button in Control Head is Stuck 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 173
                    Mileage: 178386 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2018.03.26
                    Time: 06:29:55

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 14.80 V
                    Bin. Bits: 10000000 00000000
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels:. 8K0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 C    HW: 8K0 959 795 C
   Component: TSG HL        H10 0306  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000102499665 
   Coding: 010C13204000240004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 42DE42AF14885F0724C-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels:. 8K0-907-383.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 383 E    HW: 8K0 907 383 E
   Component: Anhaenger     H12 0100  
   Revision: 1A001001    Serial number: 00000401459262
   Coding: 0200000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 09031 002 1048576
   VCID: 36362E7F4840F3A7984-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 6C: Back-up Cam.        Labels: 8T0-907-441.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 441 A    HW: 4L0 907 441 B
   Component: J772__Rearview      0040  
   Revision: --H03---    Serial number: 525PA8-J9YA1G8
   Coding: 1030010
   Shop #: WSC 03743 444 00001
   VCID: 34321477523CE1B7A60-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 6D: Trunk Elect. (J605)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 8R0 827 851 B    HW: 8R0 827 851 B
   Component: J605  Master  H52 0330  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 8R0827851B    
   VCID: 3B203F4B73622ECF67A-806E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8R0 827 852 B    HW: 8R0 827 852 B
   Component: J756  Slave  H52 0330 
   Serial number: 8R0827852B          

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels:. 8K0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 795 C    HW: 8K0 959 795 C
   Component: TSG HR        H10 0306  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000102507495 
   Coding: 010C13204000240004
   Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
   VCID: 42DE42AF14885F0724C-8016

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 02:00, VBatt start/end: 12.3V/12.3V)-----------
 
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Maybe carbon holding an intake valve open or a burned/cracked valve seat/valve face interference angle.

Take intake off, Inspect, Remediate, Repair .....
 
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When I cleaned the intake valves they all held solvent when closed so I think the valve seat to valve is good.

I took the Q5 to an independent audi/vw shop yesterday morning and told them everything that I have done and they listened to the car and they said it sounds like the upper timing chain has slop in it. They recommended replacing both of the upper tensioners. I guess my next step is to take of the upper chain covers and take a look.
 
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Mileage: 178600km-110976mi Repair Order:

Isn't car is a ULEV2 and carries a warranty on this for 10-120K & in some cases 15/150K if related to additional items which induced a related failure?
 
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Isn't car is a ULEV2 and carries a warranty on this for 10-120K & in some cases 15/150K if related to additional items which induced a related failure?
Yes, Audi of America (AoA) covers the issue if there is a code thrown for the secondary air ports but those codes have to be thrown for AoA to pay the dealer for the cleaning. I have not had those codes thrown yet.

Nate-
 
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Someone else on one of the forums said that it looked like I had a cam lobe that went flat. I was able to measure that today and I don't think that is the case. From what I can tell the intake cam has two profiles for the lower RPM circuit, one for the fwd valve and one for the aft valve of each cylinder. Here are my results for each lobes lift:

Cyl #1 Fwd - .043" Aft - .127"
Cyl #2 Fwd - .044" Aft - .128"
Cyl #3 Fwd - .044" Aft - .128"
Cyl #4 Fwd - .044" Aft - .126"

I was also able to get the timing chain cover off and look at the tensioner and from what I can tell it looks good and none of the plastic wear pads showed excessive wear. I am going to pull the cams this week and take a look at the rockers and valves for any issues. This will also give me the opportunity to reseal the guide frame from leaking oil into the spark plug holes.
 
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