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For those who live outside the USA, Google "chicken tax" for a long explanation of why light European-made trucks/vans never make it here when they are abundant in the ROW.

Since this current truck plan is based on the Atlas and planned to be built in Tennessee USA by American heroin addicts :p to get around the chicken tax, it has slightly more than a snowball's chance in Philadelphia of actually showing up at dealer showrooms.....
 
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Badge engineering at its finest, much like this van:

At least it's in the same Galaxy... :D

Footnote: it was sold in the UK as a Ford Galaxy.
 
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I disagree with the belief that it is not a VW. Did it make it all the way to Florida (where I ASSume that it is pictured) without breaking down? If so, it most certainly is *not* a Chrysler Town & Country! Also note that there are no puddles underneath, so it wasn't made in the UK..... :D
 
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I disagree with the belief that it is not a VW. Did it make it all the way to Florida (where I ASSume that it is pictured) without breaking down?
I have no idea. I've never driven one, much less owned one. The pic is one we "found on the internet" and then doctored a bit to use when people were asking us whether VCDS would work on that thing. :D
 
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News flash! Living in the state of Commiefornia is known to increase your risk of cancer..... :facepalm:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/apnewsbreak-california-judge-coffee-needs-212748202.html

Californians to take their coffee with a cancer warning

Brian Melley
Associated Press
March 29, 2018

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A Los Angeles judge has determined that coffee companies must carry an ominous cancer warning label because of a chemical produced in the roasting process.

Superior Court Judge Elihu Berle said Wednesday that Starbucks and other companies failed to show that benefits from drinking coffee outweighed any risks. He ruled in an earlier phase of trial that companies hadn't shown the threat from the chemical was insignificant.

The Council for Education and Research on Toxics, a nonprofit group, sued Starbucks and 90 other companies under a state law that requires warnings on a wide range of chemicals that can cause cancer. One is acrylamide, a carcinogen present in coffee.

"Defendants failed to satisfy their burden of proving ... that consumption of coffee confers a benefit to human health," Berle wrote in his proposed ruling.

The coffee industry had claimed the chemical was present at harmless levels and should be exempt from the law because it results naturally from the cooking process that makes beans flavorful. It also argued coffee was good for the body.

The ruling came despite eased concerns in recent years about the possible dangers of coffee, with some studies finding health benefits. In 2016, the International Agency for Research on Cancer — the cancer agency of the World Health Organization — moved coffee off its "possible carcinogen" list.

The lawsuit was brought under the Safe Drinking Water and Toxic Enforcement Act, passed by voters in 1986. It allows private citizens, advocacy groups and attorneys to sue on behalf of the state and collect a portion of civil penalties.

The law has been credited with reducing chemicals that cause cancer and birth defects, such as lead in hair dyes, mercury in nasal sprays and arsenic in bottled water. But it's also been widely criticized for abuses by lawyers shaking down businesses for quick settlements.

"Coffee has been shown, over and over again, to be a healthy beverage," said William Murray, president and CEO of the National Coffee Association, in reaction to the decision. He argued the lawsuit "does nothing to improve public health."

The lawsuit has been brewing for eight years and is still not over. A third phase of trial will determine civil penalties of up to $2,500 per person exposed each day over eight years, an astronomical figure in a state of 40 million that appears unlikely to be imposed.

Attorney Raphael Metzger, who brought the lawsuit and drinks a few cups of coffee daily, wants the industry to remove the chemical from its process. Coffee companies have said that's not feasible.

"Getting it out is better for public health than leaving it in and warning people," he said.

Metzger's client brought a similar case later taken up by the state attorney general that resulted in potato-chip makers agreeing in 2008 to pay $3 million and remove acrylamide from their products.

The chip-makers opted to do that rather than post cancer warnings like those that are found, and largely ignored, throughout California.

Parking garages have signs warning of chemical dangers that can cause cancer, birth defects and other reproductive harm. They note carbon monoxide and gas and diesel exhaust is present and that people should not to linger longer than necessary.

Many coffee companies have already posted warnings saying acrylamide is found in coffee. However, many are posted in places not easily visible like below counters where cream and sugar are available.

The judge has given the defense a couple weeks to file objections to the proposed ruling before he makes it final. California judges can reverse their tentative rulings, but rarely do.

About a dozen of the defendants in the case have previously settled and agreed to post warnings, Metzger said. With some defendants dismissed or affiliated with larger companies about 50 defendants remain.

Among the latest to settle was 7-Eleven, which agreed to pay $900,000. BP West Coast Products, which operates gas station convenience stores, agreed to pay $675,000.

Even at Starbucks shops where the labels are posted, many coffee drinkers are unaware of them.

Afternoon coffee drinkers at one shop in Los Angeles said they might look into the warning or give drinking coffee a second thought, but the cup of joe was likely to win out.

"I just don't think it would stop me," said Jen Bitterman, a digital marketing technologist. "I love the taste, I love the ritual, I love the high, the energy, and I think I'm addicted to it."

Darlington Ibekwe, a lawyer in Los Angeles, said a cancer warning would be annoying but wouldn't stop him from treating himself to three lattes a week.

"It's like cigarettes. Like, damn, now I've got to see this?" he said. "Dude, I'm enjoying my coffee."

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Associated Press writer Amanda Lee Myers in Los Angeles and AP Chief Medical Writer Marilynn Marchione in Milwaukee contributed to this story.
 
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I like my coffee and am drinking it now. /\

If a chemical that causes cancer is in it, it should indeed be disclosed, then it gives a customer the option of buying something else.

Maybe it gives the reason for a new process or to use the old process & before better living through risky chemistry, resulting in a superior new product or business.

I like coffee/tea now with reverse osmosis water only as a result.

Consider the flip side.......... :rolleyes:
 
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Meanwhile people plumb their house with PEX and ignore copper and brass due to expense of cancer trade off.

Than that whole lead solder or low lead solder thing...........WTF!

Nothing is perfect!
 
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/04/pruitt-epa/557123/

Done done done.........

I like the comment: "Making new replacement cars will cause even more emissions and defeats the purpose of the fine. What massive shame and a huge waste."

It's SOOOOO funny how so many policies and decisions made by government DON'T acheive what they aim to do. But they do get to charge money for stuff :-)
Just who do you think was qualified & wrote the goals and regulations of the auto-industry for the clean air act?

Oh yeah the auto-industry speaking to law makers & each amendment was made public for opposition to be argued against before each final rule!

http://www.meca.org/regulation/the-clean-air-act


Now over 30 years old, the Mobile Source Emission Control Program is generally regarded as a resounding success; it has become a model for other countries that are seeking to address motor vehicle related pollution problems. The nation's air is cleaner now than at any time during the previous three decades. Moreover, the program is extremely popular with the public. Opinion polls have repeatedly shown that Americans want pollution from cars, trucks and buses to be controlled, and that they are willing to pay the price of that control.
The reason people bought a Tesla, Prius or TDI, was largely due to the statement that they are clean and environmentally friendly.

Let's see......... :rolleyes:

https://www.google.com/search?q=TDI...lZ7aAhWvmeAKHSKvCfUQ_AUICygC&biw=1366&bih=633

Should I continue?
 
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