How to Turn off Gear Shift Indicator - 2015 S4 6MT

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Hello All,
I just picked up a 2015 S4 6MT and trying turn off the "gear shift indicator" in the Driver Information System. It constantly wants me to upshift and is very annoying! I have gone through all options in the MMI and could not find an option to turn it off. I also do not have a "instrument cluster" option when I go into "Car". I am at a loss! Please VCDS gurus help me out! I can post auto-scan too in the morning.
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1) Post your autoscan :)
2) Go to cluster (17), long coding, byte 01. The helper will have the info you need to turn it off. It should have been off by default.
3) Since it appears someone was in there before, do you have the oil temp/lap timer enabled? If not, I highly recommend it :) It's in long coding byte 01 as well.
 
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1) Post your autoscan :)
2) Go to cluster (17), long coding, byte 01. The helper will have the info you need to turn it off. It should have been off by default.
3) Since it appears someone was in there before, do you have the oil temp/lap timer enabled? If not, I highly recommend it :) It's in long coding byte 01 as well.
Hi Eric, thank you for the response. I will be posting the auto-scan in the next couple days. I am not quite sure I understand what you mean by "help will have the info you need to turn it off" I am very new to VCDS, just got it a month ago.

I do in fact have the oil temp/lap timer enabled, used Carista to do that, but want to get the know how and saviness to use Ross-tech for all these changes now. But not even sure what "long coding byte 01" is or where it is, and am nervous to mess something up!

Thanks again!
 
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[Select]
[17-Instruments]
[Coding]
[Long Coding Helper]
Click on Byte 01.

:)

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Hello All,
Thank you for the advice on how to turn off my manual gear indicator. I got as far as:
[Select]
[17-Instruments]
[Coding]
[Long Coding Helper]

I then clicked on Byte0-1 drop down menu, and I see several options: See pic below:



How do I know which to choose? 00, 01, 02, 03 ?

Also, for reference, here is my autoscan from my 2015 Audi S4 6MT:

Code:
 Thursday,15,February,2018,18:57:32:53404
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 18.1.0.2 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4411.4
Data version: 20180122 DS285.1
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WAUDGAFL4FA070041   License Plate: BR95HE
Mileage: 86960km-54034mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: FL-AU48 (8R0)
Scan: 01 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 36 3C 42 44 46 47 52 53 56 5F
          62 6C 72 A9

VIN: WAUDGAFL4FA070041   Mileage: 86960km-54034miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
3C-Lane Change -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
A9-Struct. Borne Sound -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CTUB)       Labels:. 06E-907-551-CGW.clb
   Part No SW: 8K5 907 551 G    HW: 4G0 907 551 A
   Component: 3.0l V6 TFSIH07 0007  
   Revision: --H07---    
   Coding: 0A190034052600060000
   Shop #: WSC 06208 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM30TFS0218K5907551G 001007
   ROD: EV_ECM30TFS0218K5907551G.rod
   VCID: 3A2DCFDE7CD29017661-806E

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0100

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 8K0-907-379-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 CP    HW: 8K0 907 379 CP
   Component: ESP8 quattro  H09 0020  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 281D1A01
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 094F601269344B8F3FB-805C

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-05.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 KM    HW: 8K0 907 064 KM
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H15 0711  
   Revision: 00002001    
   Coding: 0F814040000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 05576C22452C2FEF5B3-8050

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 754 BB    HW: 8K0 959 754 BB
   Component: FBSAUDIB8 IDG  H71 0083 
   Serial number: 0514000145672007    

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 E    HW: 8K0 905 852 E
   Component: J764 ELV MLB  H40 0046 
   Serial number: 3214000134001002    

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 8K1 820 043 AQ    HW: 8K1 820 043 AQ
   Component: KLIMA 3 ZONEN H04 0122  
   Revision: C1000000    Serial number: 01051120141101
   Coding: 6600228000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 77AB16EA0FC04D7F59F-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 8K0-907-063.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 DH    HW: 8K0 907 063 DH
   Component: BCM1 1.0      H16 0103  
   Revision: 08016001    Serial number: 00000937313502
   Coding: 26000011873CAFE0240040C300003D0D4F9C9308A2090221000008004000030100000030000000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 78A915D602DE4207505-802C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K1 955 119 B    HW: 8K1 955 119 B  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: MITSUBA061014  H18 0461 
   Serial number: 1410020603566       
   Coding: 004577

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8U0 955 559 B    HW: 8U0 955 559 B  Labels: 8U0-955-559.CLB
   Component: G397_RLFS  H06 0002 
   Serial number: 23412839            
   Coding: 02005D

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 AS    HW: 8K0 941 531 AS
   Component: E1 - LDS  H03 0031 
   Serial number: 00000000002810145509

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 4G0 907 410 A    HW: 4H0 907 410 A
   Component: USHL4.2  H30 0030 
   Serial number: 00000000095Z01CC9020

   Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 4H0 907 658     HW: 4H0 907 658 
   Component: AQ_Hum_Sensor  H03 0003 
   Serial number: 04288757000000000001

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 8K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 655 Q    HW: 8K0 959 655 Q
   Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H51 0812  
   Serial number: 003NDD12M9WW  
   Coding: 303844354730383131304A55304C384B3053
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010 003114
   ROD: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010_003_AU48.rod
   VCID: 4BC39A1A2348199FCD7-801E

   Seat occupied recognition: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 339 C    HW: 8K0 959 339 C
   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H02 0040 
   Serial number: 5810000R140000KV1F

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 6334MSME497C1460G

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6344MSME4A7B3470K

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Serial number: 6352QSME0F4A205ER

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Serial number: 6362QSME124A32505

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 63732SME0F4C157AA

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 63832SME094C034E3

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:. 8K0-953-568.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 M    HW: 8K0 953 568 M
   Component: Lenks.Modul   H04 0005  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 90372NK30008S 
   Coding: 000016
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 44D1B1260E96D6E70CD-8010

   Component: E221 - MFL  H03 0004 

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:. 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 920 983     HW: 8K0 920 983 
   Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H35 0567  
   Revision: 00100000    Serial number: 63-6822CF     
   Coding: 83BD09008301D705020000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 72BD27FE64A228576E1-8026

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 8T0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 8R0 907 468 P    HW: 8R0 907 468 D
   Component: GW-BEM 5CAN-M H11 0060  
   Revision: 1Z120030    Serial number: 3041Z14A2502E9
   Coding: 80C303FF00
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 4CC1990626C61EA7C4D-8018

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 915 181     HW: 8T0 915 181 
   Component: J367-BDMHella  H03 8041 
   Serial number: 2183144903          

1 Fault Found:
00384 - Optical Databus 
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101011
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 208
                    Mileage: 86663 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2017.02.02
                    Time: 16:19:55

             Freeze Frame:
                    Bin. Bits:    10000
                    Voltage: 12.30 V
                    Count: 11
                    Bin. Bits:    00000


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Address 22: AWD (J492)       Labels: 8K0-907-163.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 163 B    HW: 8K0 907 163 A
   Component: 4 Wheel Drive H15 0100  
   Serial number: 002810140001039
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AllWheelDiffeQSPCAN 003019
   ROD: EV_AllWheelDiffeQSPCAN.rod
   VCID: 2F3BEE8AB79045BFC1F-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J136)       Labels:. 8T0-959-760.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 959 760 D    HW: 8K0 959 760 D
   Component: MEM-FS        H06 0077  
   Revision: AA000000    Serial number: 00000122733912
   Coding: 00581B00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 3B23CADA7368A91F7D7-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 3C: Lane Change (J769)       Labels:| 5Q0-907-566.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 907 566 B    HW: 8T0 907 566 B
   Component: SWA Master    H05 0071  
   Serial number: 0350353379
   Coding: 010211
   Shop #: WSC 06324 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_LaneChangAssis 001020
   ROD: EV_LaneChangAssis_AU21.rod
   VCID: 3FDBBECA67F0B53F51F-806A

   Lane Change Assistant 2: 
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 907 568 B    HW: 8T0 907 568 B
   Component: SWA Slave  H05 0071 
   Serial number: 0350605444          
   Coding: 010211

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:. 8K0-959-793.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 959 793 P    HW: 8T0 959 793 G
   Component: TSG FA        H10 0305  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 011C13204E00410001
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 56F57B6EE80A5477629-8002

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500)       Labels:| 8K0-909-144.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 909 144 J    HW: 8K0 909 144 B
   Component: RCEPS         H41 0509  
   Revision: 00001000    Serial number: 0021119961
   Coding: 100000010001
   Shop #: WSC 06324 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_RCEPSAU48X 008016
   ROD: EV_RCEPSAU48X_008.rod
   VCID: 3829D5D642DE8207905-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels:. 8K0-907-064-46.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 KM    HW: 8K0 907 064 KM
   Component: BCM2 2.0      H15 0711  
   Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0351526317    
   Coding: 0106063A00FA404580B0013200000000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 05576C22452C2FEF5B3-8050

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 719 B    HW: 8K0 959 719 
   Component: GTO BF  H01 0080 
   Serial number: 00000000000000905130

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501 

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 591 B    HW: 8K0 959 591 
   Component: J245 PS050  H08 0043 

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels:. 8T0-035-223-BOM.clb
   Part No SW: 8T1 035 223 A    HW: 8T1 035 223 A
   Component: DSP Prem      H05 0030  
   Revision: 00005001    Serial number: 94813036637306
   VCID: 2D07F482BD1C37AFF33-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:. 8K0-959-792.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 959 792 P    HW: 8T0 959 792 G
   Component: TSG BF        H10 0305  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 011C13204E00410001
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 55F77C62F50C5F6F6B3-8000

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake (----)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 N    HW: 8K0 907 801 J
   Component: EPB-4         H02 0005  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 00000001557454
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ParkiBrake 001028
   ROD: EV_ParkiBrake_AU48.rod
   VCID: 3A2DCFDE7CD29017661-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (R)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 4G0 035 082 G    HW: 4G0 035 082 
   Component: Radio U SIRIU H60 0133  
   Revision: AB001007    Serial number: 156K10E8090734
   Coding: 020007010000000001
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 241111A6EED6F6E72CD-8070

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels:. 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb
   Part No SW: 8R1 035 746 G    HW: 8R1 035 746 G
   Component: H-BNT-NA      H42 0901  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 523KY0E7503125
   Coding: 110200000206A1EF55028B5E00000403140000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 3B23CADA7368A91F7D7-806E

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 CJ
   Component: NAR 2015  1102 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8R0 919 604 A    HW: 8R0 919 604 A
   Component: DU7 High  H42 0104 
   Serial number: A130K50E3177889     

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 611 L    HW: 8T0 919 611 C
   Component: E0380 Bedient  H02 0030 
   Serial number: 00000002034995      

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8R0 060 961 G
   Component: CD-Database  5950 

1 Fault Found:
02067 - Optical Databus; Unpermitted Wake-Up Request 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100000
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 208
                    Mileage: 86663 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2017.02.02
                    Time: 16:14:37

             Freeze Frame:
                    Voltage: 12.20 V


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels:. 8K0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 959 795 Q    HW: 8T0 959 795 H
   Component: TSG HL        H08 0305  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 010C13204000210001
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 59EF705299147B0F4FB-800C

No fault code found.

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Address 6C: Back-up Cam.        Labels: 8T0-907-441.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 907 441 C    HW: 4L0 907 441 B
   Component: J772__Rearview      0040  
   Revision: --H09---    Serial number: 525PA8-J4892T2
   Coding: 1000006
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 3829D5D64E5E8207905-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels:. 8K0-959-794.clb
   Part No SW: 8T0 959 795 Q    HW: 8T0 959 795 H
   Component: TSG HR        H08 0305  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
   Coding: 010C13204000210001
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 59EF705299147B0F4FB-800C

No fault code found.

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Address A9: Struct. Borne Sound (J869)       Labels: 4H0-907-159.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 159     HW: 4H0 907 159 A
   Component: SAS-GEN 2     H06 0006  
   Serial number: 141011200009
   ASAM Dataset: EV_SoundActuaGen2AU64X 003010
   ROD: EV_SoundActuaGen2AU64X.rod
   VCID: 72BD27FE642228576E1-8026

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 02:01, VBatt start/end: 12.2V/12.2V)----------- ]
Any idea the one fault found in [19] CAN-Gateway ?

I also need to get an inspection, so I figured I'd do a "Readiness" check and got this:



"Evaporative Emissions failed / incomplete."

Only thing I can think of, is dealer installed a new battery at 53,820mi before I picked up, and I have only driven about 200 miles since.

Thanks all for your help!
 
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You need to click on Byte 1. Your picture is from Byte 0. :)

The intermittent Optical Databus fault in the Gateway: If that were a significant problem, it would produce symptoms in your infotainment system.

Evap Readiness: The car may not have seen the correct conditions to perform the test. You could try forcing it, but personally, I don't think I would at this point.

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You need to click on Byte 1. Your picture is from Byte 0. :)

The intermittent Optical Databus fault in the Gateway: If that were a significant problem, it would produce symptoms in your infotainment system.

Evap Readiness: The car may not have seen the correct conditions to perform the test. You could try forcing it, but personally, I don't think I would at this point.

-Uwe-
Hmm...what exactly is "Byte01" ?
At the 4) Byte 0 --> Is that what you are referring to ?

or 1) 83BD09......

Sorry for being such a noob!
 
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Look at the line in Long Coding Helper that's labelled 3)

The first byte is Byte 0. It has a value of 83. The next byte is Byte 1 has a value of BD. Click on it.

Also, the line labelled 4) will conveniently show you which Byte you're currently editing.

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Thank you Uwe for literally spelling it out for me! lol Next question....so I am prepared once I go out and try it.....

What happens / what am I supposed to do/see when I click on Byte1 (value BD) ?
 
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You'll see a bit labelled: "Shift Suggestion (Economy) active". Un-check it, then exit Long Coding Helper and click [Do it!] on the main Coding screen.

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Hi Uwe, so last question and I think we've got it! After un-checking the "shift suggestion (economy) active" box, when I exit and click the [Do it!] , I get the following message:



And I am not sure what to do here! And don't want to take a guess and do something wrong!

Thanks!
 
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Try [No] first and see if it will accept the coding change anyway. If so, there's no "who done it".

If that doesn't work, try [Yes] or try [Cancel]. If it accepts the coding change with [Yes] then there's an obvious "who done it" in there. If you use [Cancel], you could put more subtle non-zero numbers for Importer and Equipment Number.

FWIW, the above dialog is documented at the very bottom of the Coding Page in the VCDS product manual.

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Try [No] first and see if it will accept the coding change anyway. If so, there's no "who done it".

If that doesn't work, try [Yes] or try [Cancel]. If it accepts the coding change with [Yes] then there's an obvious "who done it" in there. If you use [Cancel], you could put more subtle non-zero numbers for Importer and Equipment Number.

FWIW, the above dialog is documented at the very bottom of the Coding Page in the VCDS product manual.

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I selected "no" and it accepted the coding change! Not sure what you meant by "who done it" but nevertheless, thank you for all your help!
- Ross
 
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Update! I just took it for a test drive, and it is still showing the gear shift suggestion! What gives ??
 
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I selected "no" and it accepted the coding change! Not sure what you meant by "who done it"
Workshop Code, Importer, and Equipment Number identify who last made changes to things like coding and adaptation values in a module. The dealers' tools have fixed values for these which are sent every time. VCDS will try to be stealthy and just put back whatever was there to begin with, but lots of modules these days won't accept that, especially when one or more of the fields is all zeros (as is the case in your instrument cluster). Hence the warning that the module may not accept changes unless you do something different.

Update! I just took it for a test drive, and it is still showing the gear shift suggestion! What gives ??
First thing I would do is check whether the change to the bit in question really did "take".

-Uwe-
 
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Workshop Code, Importer, and Equipment Number identify who last made changes to things like coding and adaptation values in a module. The dealers' tools have fixed values for these which are sent every time. VCDS will try to be stealthy and just put back whatever was there to begin with, but lots of modules these days won't accept that, especially when one or more of the fields is all zeros (as is the case in your instrument cluster). Hence the warning that the module may not accept changes unless you do something different.


First thing I would do is check whether the change to the bit in question really did "take".




-Uwe-
Hi Uwe, I re-checked that the box for gear shift suggestion (active) stayed "un-checked" and it did. So I am assuming it "took" ?
 
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Yep, sounds like it. Not sure why it would keep showing the upshift suggestion then.

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Yep, sounds like it. Not sure why it would keep showing the upshift suggestion then.

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Do you have any other suggestions for me to try ? do I have any options? Thanks!
 
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I'll try to turn it off on mine after lunch.
 
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