2008 GTI (Canadian) - TPMS import to USA

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My new wife (Canadian) and I are in the middle of a few stressful issues.
K1 (marriage) immigration to USA for her, 9 month old boy, and trying to import her 2008 Canadian GTI only to find out that TPMS is required.

From what I gather, her GTI has ABS and ESP. A VIN search at https://vpic.nhtsa.dot.gov/ show that "Active TPMS" is null.

We are really hoping that the indirect TPMS can be turned on with VCDS, but I'm unsure how to confirm whether it is possible :confused:.

I have an 05 Golf TDI and 93 Eurovan so I have a shop that might be able to help with the VCDS to turn on the TPMS. But I want to be informed and know what I'm talking about, at least slightly.

Is there a particular model/part number of ABS that would verify that TPMS can be turned on? Or would a full AutoScan and post here allow some benevolent dictator to confirm?

This car TPMS issue is really stressing my wife out (and me too)... her GTI is in great condition with ridiculously low miles... plus I love driving it too.

Any advice greatly appreciated!
 
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My little boy is not and issue... haha. Whoops. That sounded wrong. I'll blame that on lack of sleep. :facepalm:
 
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Although some ABS modules were capable of supporting TPMS back then, the algorithms in them weren't sophisticated enough to meet all the US regulatory requirements, most likely the requirement that it detect a condition where all the tires are under-inflated equally. So all the US cars that had TPMS back then used a direct system....

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I would say adding tpms to mk5 is too simple to stress about it.

Change CCM and add sensors. Do the coding and should be enough.
Autoscan would be helpful.
 
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Although some ABS modules were capable of supporting TPMS back then, the algorithms in them weren't sophisticated enough to meet all the US regulatory requirements, most likely the requirement that it detect a condition where all the tires are under-inflated equally. So all the US cars that had TPMS back then used a direct system....

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Ughh. Well, I’ve got an appt to get an Autoscan and find out more about the ABS tomorrow. I’ll post back what I find.
 
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I would say adding tpms to mk5 is too simple to stress about it.

Change CCM and add sensors. Do the coding and should be enough.
Autoscan would be helpful.
I wish I felt unstressed about it. From what you are saying, it sounds easy. But I see that there are many different CCMs for MK5s. And is there any concern that a USA spec CCM might cause an issue with a Canadian spec vehicle?

If you know what part number for the correct CCM or can advise me where/who to ask to spec it, I would be very grateful.
As for sensors, I see some like this that would presumably work with the CCM. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009YWG2RA

I will post Autoscan results tomorrow.
 
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A bit more info. We used the change noted by BlakH00 in this thread
Following the change, the TPMS indicator shows on the dash when turning the key before starting.

Yet, I took the GTI to the dealer, and he said that their scanner isn't picking up on it. I don't know what scanner he is using, and he didn't want to be advising code changes to a customer. Does anybody know if VW dealers typically use an inhouse scan tool and what it is? He did state that in CAN Gateway, Coding/Long, #19, that a checkbox for TPMS should be checked in order for his scanner to see TPMS as active.

Maybe the procedure (above) I used doesn't check that box. I will investigate, but I thought I'd share.
Any advise or input greatly appreciated...

The Scan after change.

Code:
Friday,29,December,2017,11:36:49:49819
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x86
VCDS Version: 17.8.1.0
Data version: 20171130 DS276.6
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VIN: WVWEV71K88W168445   License Plate: 
Mileage: 107460km-66772mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 0F 15 16 17 19 1C 25 42 44 46 52 55 56

VIN: WVWEV71K88W168445   Mileage: 107460km-66772miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels:. 06F-907-115-AXX.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 115 S    HW: 8P0 907 115 B
   Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI     0020  
   Revision: 5BH16---    Serial number: VWX7Z0GN3N67YR
   Coding: 0403010A18070160
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 366302674185E6F67B-8062

1 Fault Found:
008577 - Performance Malfunction in Cooling System 
               P2181 - 008 -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 106103 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 02:03:52

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 3159 /min
                    Load: 39.6 %
                    Speed: 108.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 75.0°C
                    Temperature: 24.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 1000.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 14.351 V

Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC    HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
   Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0101  
   Revision: 00H11001    
   Coding: 0004738
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 73E5FB731277B3DE9C-8026

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 044 CQ    HW: 1K0 907 044 CQ
   Component: ClimatronicPQ35 130 1212  
   Revision: 00130022    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 78FFCC5F0B11D086A9-802C

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AJ    HW: 3C0 937 049 AJ
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2202  
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 01000007715840
   Coding: 178D8F214004150047140000001400000028770B5C000100000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 91511 999 72883
   VCID: 71E9F17B686B81CE6E-8024

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 071107 021  0501  
   Coding: 00038805
   Shop #: WSC 91511  

No fault code found.

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Address 0F: Digital Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-593-SIR.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 035 593 H    HW: 8E0 035 593 H
   Component: SDAR SIRIUS     H06 0080  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: AUZ4Z7G0179201
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2E532A07B9D5DE3633-807A

1 Fault Found:
02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
            000 -  - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 20
                    Reset counter: 182
                    Mileage: 104495 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 13:35:22


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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB    HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
   Component: 6L AIRBAG VW8R  034 8000  
   Revision: 05034000    Serial number: 003B6D09VZWB  
   Coding: 0013900
   Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
   VCID: 6CD7E00F4F496C265D-8038

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME315748627

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME31530F087

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6352QSME42232131 

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6362QSME446E0A0FV

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 63727SME107C4807%

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63827SME0F1F2E61F

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 BD    HW: 1K0 953 549 BD
   Component: J0527           036 0070  
   Coding: 0002022
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 75E1C56B1C03ADEEB2-8020

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: E0221           002 0010

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K6 920 874 A    HW: 1K6 920 874 A
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1216  
   Revision: V0002000    Serial number: VWX7Z0GN3N67YR
   Coding: 0007303
   Shop #: WSC 19410 444 98964
   VCID: 3169317BA8EBC1CE2E-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 L    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533__Gateway   H15 0180  
   Revision:   H15       Serial number: 1400K07A27014F
   Coding: E9811F060013020000
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 306F347FA3E1C8C621-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 1C: Position Sensing        Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K6 919 879     HW: 1K6 919 879 
   Component: Kompass         001 0003  
   Revision: 00001000    Serial number: 1225223T28PM03
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 7DF1DD4B2433F5AEFA-8028

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 1K6 920 874 A    HW: 1K6 920 874 A
   Component: IMMO            VDD 1216  
   Revision: V0002000    Serial number: VWX7Z0GN3N67YR
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3169317BA8EBC1CE2E-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 M    HW: 1K0 959 701 M
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1207  
   Coding: 0001077
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 387F0C5F4B91108669-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V3.clb
   Part No: 1K1 909 144 M
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.074 H08 1901  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 028 00001
   VCID: 3561056B5C83EDEE72-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CA    HW: 1K0 959 433 CA
   Component:    KSG PQ35 G2  020 0204  
   Revision: 00020000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 939006885103281B0904058FB0080A0488BC00
   Shop #: WSC 00000 785 00200
   VCID: 71E9F17B686B81CE6E-8024

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 M    HW: 1K0 959 702 M
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1207  
   Coding: 0001076
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 3979095B709B098E96-806C

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 1T0-907-357.lbl
   Part No: 1T0 907 357 
   Component: Dynamische LWR      0003  
   Coding: 0000003
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 74E7F86F1779B4E685-8020

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 L    HW: 1K0 035 180 L
   Component: Radio PM6       130 0037  
   Revision: 00130000    Serial number: VWZ5Z7I2297042
   Coding: 0040401
   Shop #: WSC 39612 828 149130
   VCID: 2959D91B803BB90EE6-807C

1 Fault Found:
00870 - Bass Speaker Front Left (R21) 
            011 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101011
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 33
                    Mileage: 107460 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 11:44:21


End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:02)--------------------------
 
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Bump... time has passed. We have kept the Canada plates on (renewed another year), and now it is time to deal with this again. Why the delay? raising a 17 month old.

Anyway, the Indirect TPMS is definitely working. I checked it again today. The indicator on the dash came on when one tire was about 20% less PSI.

Does anybody have a 2008 US based GTI that can post a scan that would show that TPMS is installed/enabled? so I can compare...
 
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Address 65: Tire Pressure Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
Component: RDK 0450
Revision: 00052000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 0100101
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
VCID: 040DAB3F470D1D66B5-8050
 
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Here is a 2008 US GTI that belonged to one of our guys for a time:

Code:
Wednesday,07,January,2015,11:15:19:35435
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: 14.10.0.0
Data version: 20141022


VIN: WVWED71K58W330910   License Plate: 
Mileage: 140450km-87271mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 0F 15 16 17 19 1C 25 42 44 46 52 55 56 65

VIN: WVWED71K58W330910   Mileage: 140450km-87271miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (CBF)       Labels: 06J-907-115-CBF.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 115 AD    HW: 1K0 907 115 AD
   Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI     0060  
   Revision: E3H12---    Serial number: VWX7Z0H33NP7VV
   Coding: 0403010818070160
   Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
   VCID: E89CF9EFDBF9306147B-80BD

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0010 1000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC    HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
   Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0101  
   Revision: 00H11001    
   Coding: 0021122
   Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
   VCID: F3A69E83923FC3B9E29-80A6

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 820 047 HS    HW: 1K0 820 047 HS
   Component: Climatic PQ35   142 1111  
   Revision: 00142031    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: FCB4B5BFBF618CC1B33-80A9

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AJ    HW: 3C0 937 049 AJ
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2202  
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000008311308
   Coding: 078D8F014004150047140000001400008019770B5C000100000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06485 444 10329
   VCID: F1AA948BE823F1A9105-80A4

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 210408 021  0501  
   Coding: 00038805
   Shop #: WSC 06485  

No fault code found.

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Address 0F: Digital Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-593-SIR.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 035 593 M    HW: 8E0 035 593 M
   Component: SDAR SIRIUS     H07 0150  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: AUZ4Z7H0303069
   Coding: 0000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: B3265E83D2BF83B9229-80E6

2 Faults Found:
02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
            000 -  - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 8
                    Reset counter: 58
                    Mileage: 138547 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 19:05:37

01304 - Radio 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 193
                    Mileage: 140233 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 12:54:49


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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB    HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
   Component: 6K AIRBAG VW8R  034 8000  
   Revision: 05034000    Serial number: 003B6D0B39V1  
   Coding: 0013899
   Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
   VCID: EC9485FFCF011C41233-80B9

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 959 339 G
   Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0007

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6332MSME3B6110351

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6342MSME28144F7ER

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6352QSME5D777927Y

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6362QSME6033445DG

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63727SME15590326Y

   Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 63827SME15584D625

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 BP    HW: 1K0 953 549 BP
   Component: J0527           752 0101  
   Coding: 0002022
   Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
   VCID: 814AC44BD883E129E05-80D4

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: E0221           002 0010

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K6 920 974 A    HW: 1K6 920 974 A
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 2216  
   Revision: V0002000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H33NP7VV
   Coding: 0005403
   Shop #: WSC 06417 444 54452
   VCID: B2285B872DA58AB129F-80E7

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 L    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway   H07 0052  
   Revision:   H07 01    Serial number: 180408F1008767
   Coding: E9811F070013020000
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: B02C518F23A9B8A15FB-80E5

No fault code found.

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Address 1C: Position Sensing        Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K6 919 879     HW: 1K6 919 879 
   Component: Kompass         001 0003  
   Revision: 00001000    Serial number: 1225223T34K403
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: FDB2B8BBA47B85C984D-80A8

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 1K6 920 974 A    HW: 1K6 920 974 A
   Component: IMMO            VDD 2216  
   Revision: V0002000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H33NP7VV
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: B2285B872DA58AB129F-80E7

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 M    HW: 1K0 959 701 M
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1207  
   Coding: 0001077
   Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
   VCID: B83C69AFCBD960E117B-80ED

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 1K1 909 144 M
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.074 H08 1901  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 028 00001
   VCID: B522609BDCCB9D890CD-80E0

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
   Component:    KSG PQ35 RDK 052 0221  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 1B9006885103083F7D04058FB0080A04889C00
   Shop #: WSC 12345 785 00200
   VCID: 8444CD5FC791F401CB3-80D1

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 M    HW: 1K0 959 702 M
   Component: Tuer-SG         006 1207  
   Coding: 0001076
   Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
   VCID: B93A6CABF0D379E9E85-80EC

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 1T0-907-357.lbl
   Part No: 1T0 907 357 
   Component: Dynamische LWR      0003  
   Coding: 0000003
   Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
   VCID: F4A49D9F9731C481FB3-80A1

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels: 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 3AD 035 190 A    HW: 3AD 035 190 A
   Component: RCD510USBRVC  003 0003  
   Revision: -----001    Serial number: VWZ4Z3N8141478
   Coding: 01000424040010
   Shop #: WSC 00079 790 00000
   VCID: AB1646E3CA8FDB796A9-80FE

1 Fault Found:
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100100
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 159
                    Mileage: 140310 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 10:28:42


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Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
   Component:    RDK              0450  
   Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0100101
   Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
   VCID: 8444CD5FC791F401CB3-80D1

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:53)--------------------------
As you can see toward the end of the scan, it has a separately addressable TPMS module ("Address 65: Tire Pressure"), but that module is actually incorporated into the CCM ("Address 46: Central Conv.") as evidenced by the fact that both have the same Hardware ID ("HW: 1K0 959 433 CT").

Your HW: 1K0 959 433 CA does not have direct TPMS capability, as evidenced by the "G2" in the Component field in place of the "RDK" on this one. "RDK" stands for "Reifen Druck Kontrolle" (Tire Pressure Monitoring in German).

-Uwe-
 
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Thanks Uwe. That is very helpful. I somewhat understood that there was some kind of hardware difference, and the Comfort Control Module being a part of that (and the tire pressure sensors).
Now I see that those CCMs are for sale online. And it looks like a simple plug/change out. I'm sure I can find the location and also by the tire pressure sensors.

We've contacted all of the Registered Importers and many dealers (as well as VW of America). Nobody is able to assist or even give us a quote to retrofit. It looks pretty simple. I might just buy a used CCM off ebay and see if the Autoscan picks up on Address 65. If it does, then I can probably take it to VW to have them scan it and provide a letter of conformity.

Can you think of any reason that I shouldn't try this? Like is there a strong chance that something else would get messed up?
 
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I have received the new CCM 1K0 959 433 CT.
I will attempt to install it via these instructions - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLd9TUGa5Hw

If somebody has happened to had there glove compartment off with a view of their CCM (same model, USA MK5 GTI), can you post a photo? I'm curious to know how many wire sets you have plugged into your CCM.
 
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Bump. Wondering if there is any reason that I shouldn't swap the CA (Canada) CCM for the CT (USA) CCM.
Will I harm anything?
 
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Can't think of any reason why that would be a problem.

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I would say adding tpms to mk5 is too simple to stress about it.

Change CCM and add sensors. Do the coding and should be enough.
Autoscan would be helpful.
Why are You stressing?
 
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Stressing because VWofA is no help. I have to have a letter of compliance in order to import with Customs and Border Patrol. I do not think I'll even be able to get the letter of compliance because when I ask them where I can get CCM and sensors installed so that they can authenticate and provide letter of conformity, they have no answer.
So at this point, I'm desperate and about to do this myself. It doesn't seem that difficult, but there is no guarantee that CBP will allow the import without something official from VW.

Indirect TPMS is working and confirmed. But according to NHSTA import rules, the TPMS must be the same as OEM. We already tried to import, but were unsuccessful when we showed them the Indirect.

So the next question... I don't have VCDS myself. A friend has helped me. I forgot that the Indirect TPMS is still coded ON. If I add the CCM (USA with Direct TPMS), what do you think will happen?
 
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So next question (CCM swap is fine)... with the new CCM (1K0 959 433 CT) that I installed, I'd also like to use the exact OEM tire pressure sensors. I reviewed the Autoscan posted by UWE to see if the OEM tire pressure sensor part number was listed, but I don't see anything. I will have to research (on ebay, I'm seeing many that state they are for GTI MK5), but if anybody knows the tire pressure sensor PN off a USA based GTI 2008 MK5... please let me know.

More info...

Well, the installation of the CCM went well. It is installed. Now just have to meet with anybody in San Diego that has VCDS to get an Autoscan (I'm trying to coordinate with my friend)... so if there is anybody in North County San Diego that is willing to help... please contact me.

The cables are the exact same (just two). The CCMs are slightly different (see photo).

The TPMS indicator on dash is illuminated... likely error condition because no sensors at tires. Gonna get scan first to be sure module 65 Direct TPMS is there in Autoscan (assuming it is but want to confirm).

Then I will source some OEM sensors and take to DTire to install/mount/balance.
About $25/tire is what they charge.

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=eW0tSllPaUFIZThRRzZ0RE52WGhGVHNGRG43cTJ3
 
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I may have spoken too soon. After swapping the CCM, the truck and fuel door/gas cap control seem to be swapped. Using the key FOB for trunk unlock actually opens the fuel door/gas cap. Using the drivers door buttons to open fuel door/gas cap unlocks the trunk and trunk opens fuel door.

When trying to open the trunk with VW emblem/handle, it doesn't open trunk but instead opens fuel door.

Hmm. Ideas?
 
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I have no real idea about US laws, but clearly to have any letter You must have this system up and running.

But for Your problems, I think perhaps this CCM came from Jetta and is coded for it. You need a VCDS to code Your old coding to CCM and enable bits for TPMS.
 
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Hmm. So would it be easy to re-code the CCM? I have no idea how to do it. Is it kind of like updating firmware on a computer? Where would I find the 2008 USA GTI MK5 VCDS code for the CCM?

Or am I just better off finding a CCM that I know came off of a MK5 GTI USA? Seems like it.

I guess I should have known that there could be a part used on multiple models of VWs and that the programming could be different. My mistake.
 
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