T5 alarm activation

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Hi Guys,
having some trouble with an alarm on a 2005 t5. to start with it didnt sound, just the lights flashed when going off, changed the siren and repaired wiring at the siren and also under the seat. when the blink is activated for lock and unlock it will only flash on unlock, this is the same for the beep activation. if the alarm is set off (sticking hand through window or opening door) just the indicators flash, no siren. i've changed the setting for location on the siren from uk to rest of world, germany etc and no difference. when going through output tests siren sounds fine. thinking it was a duff convenience module i have just fitted another and this one seems to not have the alarm activated and cant figure out how to get into it to tell it its got an alarm.
just spent a few quid on erwin thinking there may be a login code for that module but nothing except hooking up genuine vw diagnostic.
the old unit, although looking ok inside had corroded terminals and did "crash" at one point requiring it to be unplugged and plugged back in to connect with it again so i think i would rather keep with the new module if possible.
any ideas? also, worth mention, its an ex-ambulance so has had all manor of bits fitted and removed.
 
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right, lets try that again.

fresh scan with new module (non activated alarm, no flashy door button etc)

Code:
 Wednesday,20,December,2017,09:43:05:02188
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows XP x86
VCDS Version: 16.8.1.3
Data version: 20160902 DS256
www.Ross-Tech.com

Workshop Code: 123 12345 012345

VIN: WV2ZZZ7HZ5X018472   License Plate: JOE NEW
Mileage: 298810km-185671mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 7H (7H - VW Transporter/Multivan (2003 > 2010))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0B 0D 15 16 17 18 19 1C 22 2D 37 45 46 47 56
          57 6E 76 77 78 7D
 
VIN: WV2ZZZ7HZ5X018472   Mileage: 298810km-185671miles
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 038 906 016 N    HW: 028 101 185 5
   Component: R4 1,9L EDC 0000SG  6209  
   Revision: 12345678    Serial number: VWZ7Z0D1112104
   Coding: 0000031
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 00158
   VCID: 1F47C6C8CDB550BAB7-50E8

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 X X X 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 7H0-907-37x-ASR-F.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 907 379 G
   Component: ASR FRONT MK25      0103  
   Coding: 0007205
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 00160
   VCID: 3973085073511E8AA9-50CC

1 Fault Found:
00526 - Brake Light Switch (F) 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 7H0-937-049.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 937 049 K
   Component: BORDNETZ SGVER 1.0  1901  
   Coding: 0000101
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 00160
   VCID: 3A71175C76571592A0-50AE

1 Fault Found:
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 909 605 A
   Component: 3C AIRBAG VW51      0008  
   Coding: 13123
   Shop #: WSC 35110  
   VCID: 2241CF3CAEC77D5298-50CC

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 7Hx-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 920 950 R
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V03  
   Coding: 01411
   Shop #: WSC 00222  
   VCID: 3A71175C26571592A0-50CC
   WV2ZZZ7HZ5X018472     VWZ7Z0D1112104

1 Fault Found:
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393) 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 35110  
   VCID: 70E5F57430AB9FC25E-50CC

2 Faults Found:
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393) 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01207 - Control Module for Auxiliary Heater (J364) 
            49-00 - No Communications

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 45: Inter. Monitor        Labels: 7Hx-951-171.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 951 171 
   Component: Innenraumueberw.    2815  
   Coding: 0000022
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 00158
   VCID: 67D79E285565587A0F-5122

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7H0 951 171 A
   Component: Innenraumueberw.    1506

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 7H0-959-433.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 959 433 B
   Component: C1W Komfortgerát     0004  
   Coding: 00079
   Shop #: WSC 12345  
   VCID: 32613F7CFE27EDD268-4AB6

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7H2959802
   Component: Tõrsteuer.FS KLO 0203  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7H2959801
   Component: Tõrsteuer.BF KLO 0203  

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 06:35)--------------------------
fresh scan with old module installed (alarm half working, no siren when set off no flash on lock)

Code:
 Wednesday,20,December,2017,09:53:25:02188
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows XP x86
VCDS Version: 16.8.1.3
Data version: 20160902 DS256
www.Ross-Tech.com

Workshop Code: 123 12345 012345

VIN: WV2ZZZ7HZ5X018472   License Plate: JOE OLD
Mileage: 298810km-185671mi   Repair Order: 


Chassis Type: 7H (7H - VW Transporter/Multivan (2003 > 2010))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0B 0D 15 16 17 18 19 1C 22 2D 37 45 46 47 56
          57 6E 76 77 78 7D
 
VIN: WV2ZZZ7HZ5X018472   Mileage: 298810km-185671miles
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 038 906 016 N    HW: 028 101 185 5
   Component: R4 1,9L EDC 0000SG  6209  
   Revision: 12345678    Serial number: VWZ7Z0D1112104
   Coding: 0000031
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 00158
   VCID: 1F47C6C8CDB550BAB7-50CC

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 X X X 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 7H0-907-37x-ASR-F.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 907 379 G
   Component: ASR FRONT MK25      0103  
   Coding: 0007205
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 00160
   VCID: 3973085073511E8AA9-50AE

1 Fault Found:
00526 - Brake Light Switch (F) 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 7H0-937-049.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 937 049 K
   Component: BORDNETZ SGVER 1.0  1901  
   Coding: 0000101
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 00160
   VCID: 3A71175C76571592A0-50CC

1 Fault Found:
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
   Part No: 1C0 909 605 A
   Component: 3C AIRBAG VW51      0008  
   Coding: 13123
   Shop #: WSC 35110  
   VCID: 2241CF3CAEC77D5298-50CC

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 7Hx-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 920 950 R
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V03  
   Coding: 01411
   Shop #: WSC 00222  
   VCID: 3A71175C26571592A0-50CC
   WV2ZZZ7HZ5X018472     VWZ7Z0D1112104

1 Fault Found:
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393) 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 35110  
   VCID: 70E5F57430AB9FC25E-50CC

2 Faults Found:
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393) 
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01207 - Control Module for Auxiliary Heater (J364) 
            49-00 - No Communications

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 45: Inter. Monitor        Labels: 7Hx-951-171.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 951 171 
   Component: Innenraumueberw.    2815  
   Coding: 0000022
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 00158
   VCID: 67D79E285565587A0F-5122

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7H0 951 171 A
   Component: Innenraumueberw.    1506

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 7H0-959-433.lbl
   Part No: 7H0 959 433 B
   Component: C2B Komfortgerát     0004  
   Coding: 00079
   Shop #: WSC 12345  
   VCID: 32613F7CFE27EDD268-4AB6

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7H2959802
   Component: Tõrsteuer.FS KLO 0203  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7H2959801
   Component: Tõrsteuer.BF KLO 0203  

1 Fault Found:
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12) 
            49-00 - No Communications

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 06:30)--------------------------
 
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What are the values for the new J393's Adaptation channels 06 and 07?
Are all the doors and such being reported as closed? What do you get for MVB groups 008 and 010?
 
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adaptation:
06 beep on unlock off (was trying to sort the blinks first which is 08, 1=on)
07 beep on unlock off (as above 09, 1=on)

measuring blocks
008 hood contact not installed, rear lid key switch not operated, rear lid contact switch closed, central locking thermal protection = no
010 drivers door contact closed, pasenger door contact closed, rear left contact closed, rear right contact closed.

the beeps worked on unlock when they were activated but again not on locking.
 
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Not sure what all is going on. Now in general, for the alarm to *beep* or *chirp* then the car is locked up, the function needs to be enabled and all alarm triggers (doors, lids, hatches) need to be secured or closed.

If you take a normal working vehicle, but have the hood open when you go to arm the alarm, it will not *beep* or *chirp*. Now as best I can tell, then vehicle should have a switch for the hood/bonnet, the F266 switch. This switch looks to be wired to the J519, address 09. So, to that end, connect to the J519, go into Measuring Block group 007 and see what field 3 does as you open and close the hood/bonnet.
 
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just been out and had a look, it has a bonnet switch (one built into the catch and part of the same loom as coolant sensor).
do you think the central electrics module needs to be told it has one installed? curious how, when it seems like its a basic on off microswitch, it knows if it has one or not without programming.
i will plug back in the old module and have a look to see what the measuring blocks are for the bonnet switch (if that one says installed/open/closed etc)
 
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All of that model T5 have a bonnet switch. You need to confirm that it's working as Jeff says. The alarm won't arm properly if any door or the bonnet isn't closed. The front doors have to be fully closed (there are two switch positions) which show up as 'Position 1' (which is the safety catch) and 'Position 2' which is fully closed.
 
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just to update, gave up with trying to reprogram the central convenience to include alarm (not sure how its done, can only thing software version may be different), got to the bottom of the original siren issue though, faulty new siren! ordered another one and plugged in with old central convenience and worked straight away. strange how the other one would actually work and sound when told by computer but not by car!
 
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faulty new siren!

Getting a bad part out of the box is one of those things that makes you question your life. Thanks for the update.
 
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