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- Mar 29, 2014
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- Location
- Wilkes-Barre, PA
- VCDS Serial number
- C?ID=7573
Got a 2004 R32 3.2L BJS motor
Please bear with the story because I want you to understand the history of the car. (I know I am long winded also.)
A few years back did ton work on the car almost 4 grand for customer. Car always only had exhaust flap code and customer said check engine light was always on. After all the engine work, crack pipe, w/p control arm ext. I wanted the check engine light off for the customer. Above the heat shield at rear muffler is the solenoid and bracket and the noid is totally destroyed from age and weather. Changed the noid. Finish car gave back no Mil and all readiness set.
Month later Mil is on SAI incorrect flow. Told customer may have to go into service position again to see what is wrong. Customer didn’t want to spend any more money at the time which I can understand. Plus here there is no emissions here to worry about so as long as it is just SAI I let it go. But I was disappointed! I wanted the Mil off car is that nice!
Car comes in long time later for an oil change and I go thru the SAI system. Pump runs strong, Noid for Kombi valve works well with vac to Kombi good, Kombi opens and with pump running I can feel the pressure in exhaust so exhaust ports are open. But will not set SAI readiness. Scratching my head I give car back after the oil change.
Car comes in last month for oil change a year or more later and I have no SAI code? But the car now has a B1S1 no activity code. I tell the customer this we have to fix it’s an important one and B1S1 is needed for ECU to test the SAI readiness so maybe cause of both. Car has a 100k on it so I just ordered a new O2 B1S1 on the passenger side bank with #1 cyl. Cleared code and test drove the car both S1 B1 & B2 sensors started working quickly. About 5 miles into test drive on highway 001 field 3 for B1S1 goes to 0% and stays there? Won’t start working again dead at 0% and code sets without Mil on. So I cleared codes and returned to 001 field 3 and it’s working like a charm. Drive a few more miles and B1S1 goes dead at 0% again. This time I cycle the key instead of clearing codes and 001 field 3 is back to working fine. A few miles later 001 field 3 at 0% and Mil comes on because I didn’t clear and it is the second trip. But if I cycle key or clear codes B1S1 works again?
Measuring block 033 shows working field 1 B1S1 % working until it goes fixed at 0%. Field 2 show above and below 1.5V when Field 1 goes dead at 0%. Field 2 voltage goes a little high at idle 1.7v to 1.8v drive it and voltage is back to above and below 1.5 volts while field 1 is dead at 0%. Does that mean B1S1 is working by voltage just ECU is no longer in control of fuel trims?
Feels to me as if the ECU is just not reading the B1S1 right and I believe O2 is working fine I just can’t see it work in 001 field 3. If it was the O2 why does it work so well after a key cycle or clear codes command and doing the exact same thing as original O2?
If it was any other car I would have swapped out ECU already but a spare R32 ECU for testing is not easy to come by and cost a lot based on a guess!!!!
I am not NostraJackAss with one sitting on a shelf LOL. I am Just a poor coal cracker from N.E. PA.
My questions:
Who agrees bad ECU & who doesn’t? Locks up reading B1S1 and before that wouldn’t set readiness for SAI and I saw no reason why. Now can’t pass O2 to run SAI readiness.
If you agree bad ECU do you think update firmware or re-flash before replacement? If so I will send it to NostraJackAss.
Can’t send to my local dealer last time they bricked the ECU, replaced with an aftermarket and lied about it. They gave me a new OE one and I had to send to Jack for the right update.
Are there any updates or TSB’s for this problem?
I do not know how to back probe a wideband O2? Older style O2 you could back probe the signal wire with a meter to see if it was actually working or not. I would like to back probe this one when ECU locks at 0% to see if O2 cross counts or is dead as VCDS shows. If O2 works and VCDS shows 0% that would tell me bad ECU. Don’t know how or if you can back probe a wideband O2 never had too always read it on a scanner.
The O2 ordered was 022 906 262 BB from Northside Imports.
What I got was a Bosch 17359 VW # 1K0 998 262 J Bosch 0 258 077 359 all written on box as far as I can tell it’s the most updated one and correct for the right side upstream.
Thanks for the help!
Auto scan before code sets:
Auto scan after B1S1 goes dead:
Please bear with the story because I want you to understand the history of the car. (I know I am long winded also.)
A few years back did ton work on the car almost 4 grand for customer. Car always only had exhaust flap code and customer said check engine light was always on. After all the engine work, crack pipe, w/p control arm ext. I wanted the check engine light off for the customer. Above the heat shield at rear muffler is the solenoid and bracket and the noid is totally destroyed from age and weather. Changed the noid. Finish car gave back no Mil and all readiness set.
Month later Mil is on SAI incorrect flow. Told customer may have to go into service position again to see what is wrong. Customer didn’t want to spend any more money at the time which I can understand. Plus here there is no emissions here to worry about so as long as it is just SAI I let it go. But I was disappointed! I wanted the Mil off car is that nice!
Car comes in long time later for an oil change and I go thru the SAI system. Pump runs strong, Noid for Kombi valve works well with vac to Kombi good, Kombi opens and with pump running I can feel the pressure in exhaust so exhaust ports are open. But will not set SAI readiness. Scratching my head I give car back after the oil change.
Car comes in last month for oil change a year or more later and I have no SAI code? But the car now has a B1S1 no activity code. I tell the customer this we have to fix it’s an important one and B1S1 is needed for ECU to test the SAI readiness so maybe cause of both. Car has a 100k on it so I just ordered a new O2 B1S1 on the passenger side bank with #1 cyl. Cleared code and test drove the car both S1 B1 & B2 sensors started working quickly. About 5 miles into test drive on highway 001 field 3 for B1S1 goes to 0% and stays there? Won’t start working again dead at 0% and code sets without Mil on. So I cleared codes and returned to 001 field 3 and it’s working like a charm. Drive a few more miles and B1S1 goes dead at 0% again. This time I cycle the key instead of clearing codes and 001 field 3 is back to working fine. A few miles later 001 field 3 at 0% and Mil comes on because I didn’t clear and it is the second trip. But if I cycle key or clear codes B1S1 works again?
Measuring block 033 shows working field 1 B1S1 % working until it goes fixed at 0%. Field 2 show above and below 1.5V when Field 1 goes dead at 0%. Field 2 voltage goes a little high at idle 1.7v to 1.8v drive it and voltage is back to above and below 1.5 volts while field 1 is dead at 0%. Does that mean B1S1 is working by voltage just ECU is no longer in control of fuel trims?
Feels to me as if the ECU is just not reading the B1S1 right and I believe O2 is working fine I just can’t see it work in 001 field 3. If it was the O2 why does it work so well after a key cycle or clear codes command and doing the exact same thing as original O2?
If it was any other car I would have swapped out ECU already but a spare R32 ECU for testing is not easy to come by and cost a lot based on a guess!!!!
I am not NostraJackAss with one sitting on a shelf LOL. I am Just a poor coal cracker from N.E. PA.
My questions:
Who agrees bad ECU & who doesn’t? Locks up reading B1S1 and before that wouldn’t set readiness for SAI and I saw no reason why. Now can’t pass O2 to run SAI readiness.
If you agree bad ECU do you think update firmware or re-flash before replacement? If so I will send it to NostraJackAss.
Can’t send to my local dealer last time they bricked the ECU, replaced with an aftermarket and lied about it. They gave me a new OE one and I had to send to Jack for the right update.
Are there any updates or TSB’s for this problem?
I do not know how to back probe a wideband O2? Older style O2 you could back probe the signal wire with a meter to see if it was actually working or not. I would like to back probe this one when ECU locks at 0% to see if O2 cross counts or is dead as VCDS shows. If O2 works and VCDS shows 0% that would tell me bad ECU. Don’t know how or if you can back probe a wideband O2 never had too always read it on a scanner.
The O2 ordered was 022 906 262 BB from Northside Imports.
What I got was a Bosch 17359 VW # 1K0 998 262 J Bosch 0 258 077 359 all written on box as far as I can tell it’s the most updated one and correct for the right side upstream.
Thanks for the help!
Auto scan before code sets:
Code:
Thursday,04,May,2017,20:09:59:46081
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows XP x86
VCDS Version: 17.1.3.0
Data version: 20170320 DS267.7
www.Ross-Tech.com
VIN: WVWKG61J64D133455 License Plate:
Mileage: 167440km-104042mi Repair Order:
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Chassis Type: 1J (1J - VW Golf/Bora IV (1998 > 2006))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 47 55 56 57 75
76
VIN: WVWKG61J64D133455 Mileage: 167440km-104042miles
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Address 01: Engine Labels: 022-906-032-BJS.lbl
Part No SW: 022 906 032 EG HW: 14. 4.0 3
Component: MOTRONIC ME7.1.1G 5927
Coding: 0000132
Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
VCID: 54ACF01EF44F4EE11D-5102
No fault code found.
Readiness: 0010 1001
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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ESP-A.lbl
Part No: 1C0 907 379 P
Component: ESP ALLRAD MK60 0101
Coding: 0023049
Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
VCID: 3776A79245F985F918-50E6
No fault code found.
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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 3Bx-907-044.lbl
Part No: 3B1 907 044 C
Component: CLIMATRONIC C 2.0.0
Coding: 11200
Shop #: WSC 31414
VCID: 214269CAAB7DEB49C6-515A
1 Fault Found:
01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71)
37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
Part No: 1C0 909 605 F
Component: 17 AIRBAG VW61 0108 0003
Coding: 12599
Shop #: WSC 31414
VCID: 275677D2C559157988-50E6
No fault code found.
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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.lbl
Part No: 1J0 920 927 A
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V03
Coding: 15230
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 295271EAD34D23099E-50E6
WVWKG61J64D133455 VWZ7Z0D9770087
1 Fault Found:
01304 - Radio
49-00 - No Communications
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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
Part No: 6N0 909 901
Component: Gateway K<->CAN 0001
Coding: 00006
Shop #: WSC 31414
VCID: 70E45C8E301712C119-50E6
1 Fault Found:
01304 - Radio
49-00 - No Communications
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Address 22: AWD Labels: 02D-900-554.lbl
Part No: 02D 900 554 D
Component: HALDEX LSC ECC 0011
VCID: 214269CAAB7DEB49C6-4ACE
No fault code found.
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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1C0-959-799.lbl
Part No: 1C0 959 799 C
Component: C7 Komfortgerát HLO 0003
Coding: 00064
Shop #: WSC 31414
VCID: 3776A79215F985F918-4ACE
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1C1959801A
Component: C7 Tõrsteuer.FS KLO 0202
Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1C1959802A
Component: C7 Tõrsteuer.BF KLO 0202
1 Fault Found:
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
37-00 - Faulty
End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 05:22)--------------------------Auto scan after B1S1 goes dead:
Code:
Sunday,07,May,2017,19:09:35:46081
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows XP x86
VCDS Version: 17.1.3.0
Data version: 20170320 DS267.7
www.Ross-Tech.com
VIN: WVWKG61J64D133455 License Plate:
Mileage: 167480km-104067mi Repair Order:
Chassis Type: 1J (1J - VW Golf/Bora IV (1998 > 2006))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 47 55 56 57 75
76
VIN: WVWKG61J64D133455 Mileage: 167480km-104067miles
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine Labels: 022-906-032-BJS.lbl
Part No SW: 022 906 032 EG HW: 14. 4.0 3
Component: MOTRONIC ME7.1.1G 5927
Coding: 0000132
Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
VCID: 54ACF01EF44F4EE11D-50E6
1 Fault Found:
16518 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S1
P0134 - 008 - No Activity - MIL ON
Readiness: 0000 1001
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ESP-A.lbl
Part No: 1C0 907 379 P
Component: ESP ALLRAD MK60 0101
Coding: 0023049
Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
VCID: 3776A79245F985F918-50E6
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 3Bx-907-044.lbl
Part No: 3B1 907 044 C
Component: CLIMATRONIC C 2.0.0
Coding: 11200
Shop #: WSC 31414
VCID: 214269CAAB7DEB49C6-513C
1 Fault Found:
01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71)
37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
Part No: 1C0 909 605 F
Component: 17 AIRBAG VW61 0108 0003
Coding: 12599
Shop #: WSC 31414
VCID: 275677D2C559157988-50E6
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.lbl
Part No: 1J0 920 927 A
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V03
Coding: 15230
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 295271EAD34D23099E-50E6
WVWKG61J64D133455 VWZ7Z0D9770087
1 Fault Found:
01304 - Radio
49-00 - No Communications
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
Part No: 6N0 909 901
Component: Gateway K<->CAN 0001
Coding: 00006
Shop #: WSC 31414
VCID: 70E45C8E301712C119-50E6
1 Fault Found:
01304 - Radio
49-00 - No Communications
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 22: AWD Labels: 02D-900-554.lbl
Part No: 02D 900 554 D
Component: HALDEX LSC ECC 0011
VCID: 214269CAAB7DEB49C6-4AB4
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1C0-959-799.lbl
Part No: 1C0 959 799 C
Component: C7 Komfortgerát HLO 0003
Coding: 00064
Shop #: WSC 31414
VCID: 3776A79215F985F918-4ACE
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1C1959801A
Component: C7 Tõrsteuer.FS KLO 0202
Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1C1959802A
Component: C7 Tõrsteuer.BF KLO 0202
No fault code found.
End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 05:21)--------------------------
