RNS 510 retrofit - MFSW not working... sort of

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I have recently completed a retrofit of the RNS 510 (1T0 035 686 E), 9WZ bluetooth unit (3C8 035 730 D) and upgraded the CAN gateway (7N0 907 530 M). Everything is working nicely now except for some minor details, mfsw being one of them.

The car is a 2005 Volkswagen Golf 2.0 TDi with the red MFD and 2005.5 style mfsw buttons. The vol+ and vol- buttons have always worked and still do, but the prev track and next track buttons do not... well, sort of. If I tick both "Shortpress Steering Wheel Buttons Installed" and "Communication Instrument Cluster via Operation and Display Protocol (BAP)" in VCDS then the buttons will work, but I loose the highline display so that is not an option. Also, going to the Audio menu on the display and using the wiper stalker buttons to change tracks - as I have seen suggested other places - appears to do nothing under any circumstances.

However, if I do a cold boot or reset ( < + > + star) on the head unit and wait until the music starts playing I am able to use prev track and next track as normal for about a minute. After that they are back to not functioning. I noticed that they stopped working at the exact same moment as my MFD started displaying the compass etc. Any advise on how I can get these buttons working permanently without enabling BAP?

Code:
VCDS Version: Release 12.12.2
Data version: 20140212

Tuesday,05,August,2014,22:10:27:22644

Chassis Type: 1K (7N0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 25 37 42 44 46 52 55 56 62 72 76
          77 7D

VIN: WVWZZZ1KZ5W203558   Mileage: 181270km/112635miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Xenon Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: Malfunction 0010
7D-Aux. Heat -- Status: OK 0000
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 03G-906-016-BKD.lbl
   Part No SW: 03G 906 016 AQ    HW: 028 101 184 8
   Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000SG  9971  
   Revision: 12345678    Serial number: VWZ7Z0E1531981
   Coding: 0000172
   Shop #: WSC 00330 218 53017
   VCID: 72C533A76DF7558E9D3-8027

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-A.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 907 379 E
   Component: ESP ALLRAD MK60     0104  
   Coding: 0031362
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 3449F5BF57631BBE4FF-8061

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 907 044 AC
   Component: ClimatronicPQ35 066 0404  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 68F151CF5B2BAF5E337-803D

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 937 049 N    HW: 1K0 937 049 N*
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H34 0803  
   Revision: 00H34000    Serial number: 00000001381487
   Coding: EF8B8F0600041800001400001400000000187F075C
   Shop #: WSC 00330 218 181313
   VCID: 3A55DB877507EDCE953-806F

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 B  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer VW350  012  0401  
   Coding: 00065493
   Shop #: WSC 00330  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 N  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AF.CLB
   Component: RegenLichtSens 006  0605  
   Coding: 00221517
   Shop #: WSC 00330  

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 E    HW: 1K0 909 605 E
   Component: 0C AIRBAG VW8R  024 6300  
   Revision: 03024000    Serial number: 0037KD00S9TN  
   Coding: 0012355
   Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
   VCID: 2E7DE7D7B94F316E39B-807B

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME0838116B9

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME07775B26H

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6351HSME056E404AA

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6361HSME056408483

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 G    HW: 1K0 953 549 G
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul 521 0050  
   Coding: 0002042
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 364DCFB7411F09AE71B-8063

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: Lenkradmodul    004 0030

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 920 871 B
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 0812  
   Coding: 0005103
   Shop #: WSC 80093 222 69422
   VCID: 297714CB80A15656EC9-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 M    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway H42 1623  
   Revision:   H42       Serial number: 170312F1001509
   Coding: 350002
   Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
   VCID: 3A55DB87B507EDCE953-806F

No fault code found.

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Address 22: AWD        Labels: 1K0-907-554.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 907 554 A
   Component: HALDEX 4Motion      0105  
   Coding: 0000001
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2B7BEEC38A5D44461E5-807E

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No: 1K0 920 871 B
   Component: IMMO            VDD 0812  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 297714CB80A15656EC9-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 37: Navigation (J0506)       Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 035 686 E    HW: 1T0 035 686 E
   Component: RNS-MID       H21 6270  
   Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7N9312149
   Coding: 06010000010000210000
   Shop #: WSC 05314 123 12345
   VCID: 364DCFB7811F09AE71B-8063

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T0 919 859 B
   Component: EU West V10  8048 

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX1.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 701 G
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 09 0119  
   Coding: 0000054
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 3245F3A7AD77158E5D3-8067

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 1K1 909 144 H
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.3       1502  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3041F9AFA37B279E2B7-8065

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 AR    HW: 1K0 959 433 AR
   Component:    KSG PQ35 G2  010 0101  
   Revision: 00010000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 009002085103087F2D04850560084FC6F0A440
   Shop #: WSC 01392 785 00200
   VCID: 8021E96FD35BF71E1B7-80D5

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H02 1301

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 907 719 B
   Component: Neigungssensor  004 0003

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K0 951 177 
   Component: Innenraumueberw.004 0101

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX1.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 702 G
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 09 0119  
   Coding: 0000054
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 334BF6A3526D1C86565-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Xenon Range        Labels: 1T0-907-357.lbl
   Part No: 1T0 907 357 
   Component: Dynamische LWR      0002  
   Coding: 0000004
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: F4C9B5BF97E3DBBE0FF-80A1

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J0506)       Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 035 686 E    HW: 1T0 035 686 E
   Component: RNS-MID       H21 6270  
   Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7N9312149
   Coding: 06010000010000210000
   Shop #: WSC 05314 123 12345
   VCID: 364DCFB7811F09AE71B-8063

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T0 919 859 B
   Component: EU West V10  8048 

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN1.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 703 C
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 06 0217  
   Coding: 0000016
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 3041F9AFA37B279E2B7-8065

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN1.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 959 704 C
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet 06 0213  
   Coding: 0000016
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 3147FCABA8712E96249-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 1K0-919-283.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 919 283 A
   Component: 01 Einparkhilfe     0101  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2D7FE0DBB4494A76001-8078

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels: 3C8-035-730-A.clb
   Part No SW: 3C8 035 730 D    HW: 3C8 035 730 D
   Component: Telefon       022 0946  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 35502105030069
   Coding: 020000000100000000000001
   Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
   ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVPremi 002708
   ROD: EV_UHVPremi_SE36.rod
   VCID: 246905FF2F838B3EDFF-8071

1 Fault Found:
9458193 - Control Module for Cellular Telephone 
          B1052 14 [009] - Open or Short to Ground
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 238
                    Mileage: 181274 km
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 20:54:23


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Address 7D: Aux. Heat        Labels: 1K0-963-235.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 963 235 E    HW: 1K0 963 235 E
   Component: PTC-Element         0404  
   Revision: 00800000    Serial number:               
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 2D7FE0DBB4494A76001-8078

No fault code found.
 
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Anyone? Something that can be done using VCDS? Upgrading the steering wheel control module?
 
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Are the 2005.5 style buttons even fully compatible with rns510?
 
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I do not know. What confuses me is that it does work in the moments after the RNS 510 is booted and then stops at the time when I think the unit is fully initialized. Could some coding error cause this behavior?

Also, I found this thread which seems to describe a problem very similar to mine, but at least he was able to change tracks with the rocker switch at the end of the wiper stalk.
 
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Your cluster is too old.
I know is sound strange, but cluster transmitt MF options to other controler such as Radio
1K0 920 871 B - you need younger since 1K0 920 873 or 874 or any since 2007 ->

You also should use hard button MFSW MK5 or Mk6
Some people dont undesrand "DIY rules.
They think if can install radio from 2009 to car from 2004/5 all will work, but in a fact - doesnt
If that will be soo easy, VW will made only one MFSW and one SWCM, Gateway etc.
With some reason - they made lot of updates , gues why ;)
 
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I actually made some progress with this. BAP has been disabled all along and for some reason I thought the "Shortpress steering wheel buttons" needed to stay enabled. While playing with this today I disabled the "Shortpress steering wheel buttons" and now I get almost the same behavior as described in the thread I linked to in my previous post; mfsw buttons for volume, mute and source works, mfsw buttons for phone and track does not work, but I am able to change the track/radio station etc. from the rocker switch when I am in the "Audio" or "Navigation" menu.

Your cluster is too old.
I know is sound strange, but cluster transmitt MF options to other controler such as Radio
1K0 920 871 B - you need younger since 1K0 920 873 or 874 or any since 2007 ->
I do believe you when you say this is related to the cluster and I realize that what I now have seems to be as close as you can get with the 2005.5 style mfsw. Still that does not explain why the mfsw track buttons does work the first minute or so after the unit is turned on.
 
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I thought BAP was for white cluster cars?
 
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Hello , I have the same problem .
How u resolved it?
My car is skoda Octavia 1z 2005 , rns510 vw unit retrofitted , steering column for mfsw retrofitted from 1K0-953-549-A in 1K0-953-549-B ...but my buttons work volume up and down mute and lightning on/off Steering wheel is 4 spoke oem skoda.
After the replacing of the steering column module I can not make go off the light from steering esp light etc.
My g85 refuse to calibrate....
This is the errors: somethimes I can make it calibrate but in in 44 I can not make stop limits learned.
Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
Control Module Part Number: 1K0 907 379 Q HW: 1K0 907 379 Q
Component and/or Version: ESP FRONT MK60 0102
Software Coding: 0037505
Work Shop Code: WSC 54563 123 06500
VCID: 4085633313D8CB212EF-8015
2 Faults Found:

00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
014 - Defective - Intermittent
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation

Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
Control Module Part Number: 1K1 909 144 J
Component and/or Version: EPS_ZFLS Kl.5 D04 1606
Software Coding:
Work Shop Code: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 326139FBAD7469B1A8B-8067
1 Fault Found:

00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
000 - -
 
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ok! i ihave changed again steering column electronics 16 and nowit is ok .
The only problem i have is the mfsw buttons.
Volum up and down it is ok mute ok and light ok but the other buttons on the (measuring blocks)vcds it looks ok but in car it does nothing.
I can make something about that?
 
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Sorry for the dig but I want to know (please) if you solved this issue and how did you do it.

Thank you.
 
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+1 on the dig for Bluetooth MFSW button fix
 
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Thank you so much
 
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So, apparently the problem stems from the revision number of the RNS 510 and possibly the revision number of the bluetooth module. Check and see what you have.

This comes from BarryT82 on golfmkv forum:

"You have to have a version E or above RNS-510 and a 9w7 with SW 27xx or above to change songs. For voice command you need SW 2902 or above on the Bluetooth module. Did you buy the voice command Bluetooth harness or non voice command? It's a simple mode to make it work."

My bluetooth module meets these criteria but the RNS unit I bought does not. Not real happy with my purchase now :(
 
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Rns firmware updates are freely available on the internet.
Just upgrade it to latest making sure you get the appropriate version for your unit eg Europe or North America
 
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I was led to believe that certain RNS510 lettered revisions are only firmware-upgradable to a certain point. I have a revision C RNS510 and I think the latest supported firmware number for C is 1140 or something, several updates behind the minimum 27xx firmware number. Am led to believe that the minimum firmware number starts to be supported at the E lettered RNS revision.

I'm taking all of that on the word of someone else though, so I can't be sure. Maybe Vasco will upgrade his firmware and let us know if it works.

The ability to "enable firmware downgrade" through the head unit setup menu leads me to believe that some firmware numbers are incompatible or troublesome with certain head unit revisions. This is purely speculative though.

I wont be testing this out because I already ordered the most recent RNS 510 revision. Hoping the SSD improves the very slow boot times I'm experiencing now (after turning on the vehicle I have to wait ~90 seconds before I can put it in reverse and see the backup camera).
 
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you can update to 5238 modified by jossi
https://dfiles.eu/files/5flgt1nnd
i have personally used it on many devices including A & B revions, of course as always there is a certain risk of bricking device, so risk is all yours :)
 
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The version numbers between North America and Europe are not similar.
Version 1140 I think is the latest for NA whereas 6276 is the lastest for Europe/Rest of World.
 
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Maybe Vasco will upgrade his firmware and let us know if it works.
I will indeed let us all know if it worked as expected.

The problem (ok, not a problem) is that I received the radio yesterday and I am going to vacations this Thursday.

From my experience I tend to break clips when doing something in a rush. I hate to break things just because I am in a rush or didn't do the homework.

So I will probably just do my retrofit on the 8th/9th of July :)
 
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Well, I was very impatient to test it so I managed to get some free time today.

I was able dismantle radio console without damage :thumbs:

So, in short, everything worked like a charm.

Even though knowing that the protocol used in the instruments cluster is DDP I was able to get the name of the music playing in the MFD.

I consider this a bonus as I was not expecting to get this function working. The RCD300 was not able to transmit songs name to the cluster. Just a "Track N" was displayed.

Also, volume, mute(star), menu, OK and up/down buttons are working as expected. The behaviour was similar when the RCD300 radio was installed.
Telephone button is disabled because I don't have the BT module. Again, the behaviour was similar when the RCD300 radio was installed.

I didn't test the battery drain... And I am not testing it today just by leaving the radio over night. I need the car tomorrow and I don't want to waste 100€ in a new battery. So the battery drain issue will be be tested when I came back from vacations.

Also, I can make a detailed guide with GW, radio, instruments cluster parts numbers and sw/hw revisions.

Thank you so much for your help.
 
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