Audi A3 8P Sportback 2008 LHD steering rack replacement coding advice

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andythechief

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I am researching this job before starting- I am only investigating as there is a random clunk when tur and I read that there are well recorded problems with these steering racks ( I am basically assuming the worst in advance, happy not to be right!)

My non-genuine parts supplier warned me that according to VIN the car has a Gen 2 steering rack and I would only likely be able to get a new unit which is Gen 3 which should be backwards compatible. Elsawin confirms this saying Gen 2 is no longer available from Audi although I have not called Audi to check. Part number of the steering rack listed by VIN is 1K1 423 055 K

I have read Ross-Tech WIKI for the Golf MK5 1K found here: http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_(1K)_Steering_Assist

I assume this is the same type of system as I have on the A3 due to similar age.

From the WIKI, most notably I see the note at the very bottom i.e.:

"After Replacing this Control Module several Steps have to be performed in the following Order:

Check/Update Steering Aid Adaptation Channels 002-009
Perform Basic Setting for Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
Perform Steering Limit Stop Adaptation
Upload/Install a proper Characteristic Curve

Characteristic Curves need to be uploaded with the Factory Tool which has the latest Brand Version installed as well as access to the latest Flash Updates. Unless you have a Factory Tool which meets these Requirements the only Solution to accomplish this Step is to take the Car to the Dealer and have them perform this.

In case you are having trouble with procedure please contact us directly and we will assist you with the Coding Process. Every inquiry on this topic has to include a full Auto-Scan as well as which parts have been replaced and why, also make sure the Auto-Scan includes the complete VIN of the vehicle in question."


My questions:

1) Can I conclude that there is still no way I will be able to upload/install a characteristic curve for a newly fitted steering rack using VCDS?
2) Assuming no to the above, will I be able to drive the car without the characteristic curve installed the 10 miles or so the nearest dealer having done everything else?

thanks in advance

Andrew




Code:
Saturday,10,September,2016,10:24:39:31207
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 16.8.1.3 (x64)
Data version: 20160902 DS256
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WAUZZZ8P18A095741   License Plate:
Mileage: 163610km-101662mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 8P (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 47 52 56 62 72

VIN: WAUZZZ8P18A095741   Mileage: 163610km-101662miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 03G-906-021-BLS.clb
   Part No SW: 03G 906 021 RD    HW: 03G 906 021 AB
   Component: R4 1,9L EDC  000SG  1889  
   Revision: --H07---    Serial number: AUX7Z0G9FNO10C
   Coding: 0000071
   Shop #: WSC 00347 219 107223
   VCID: 72E0125E6DD6C6D2A8-8026

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC    HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
   Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0101  
   Revision: 00H11001    
   Coding: 0021122
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: 73EE175A12CCCFDAA3-8026

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8P0-820-043.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P0 820 043 AG    HW: 8P0 820 043 AG
   Component: KlimavollautomatH19 0420  
   Revision: 206333      Serial number: 8P0820043AG   
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 71E21D5268D0FDCA51-8024

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 8P0-907-279-30-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P0 907 279 K    HW: 8P0 907 279 K
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2501  
   Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000007784848
   Coding: 0D880F01901410004F1600001600000000084E175C010000000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 08192
   VCID: 458A99820CD8016ADD-8010

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8P1 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer AU350   H01 0130  
   Coding: 00062736
   Shop #: WSC 06314  

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8P0-959-655-94.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P0 959 655 L    HW: 8P0 959 655 L
   Component:    Airbag 9.41  H01 4210  
   Revision: 91H01421    Serial number: 003CP001FV45  
   Coding: 0070612
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: 4B9EAFBA2ABCF71A0B-801E

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332DRB4060448B2I

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342DRB40604C92CT

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 63528RB402F75C52S

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 63628RB40325F8EA 

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 63747RB402FAC0D6+

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63847RB402E40A18N

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AH    HW: 1K0 953 549 AH
   Component: J0527           036 0070  
   Coding: 0000012
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: 78F420760BAAAC8296-802C

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8P0-920-xxx-17-MY8.clb
   Part No SW: 8P0 920 931 E    HW: 8P0 920 931 E
   Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H20 0640  
   Revision: D0H20001    Serial number: 2249G001111111
   Coding: 0004128
   Shop #: WSC 39920 001 1048576
   VCID: 356AE9425C3891EA4D-8060

1 Fault Found:
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 154
                    Time Indication: 0


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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 P    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533__Gateway   H16 0191  
   Revision:   H16       Serial number: 2000K07A20817E
   Coding: E9807F061002022102
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: 346CD446574288E27A-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 8P0 920 931 E    HW: 8P0 920 931 E
   Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H20 0640  
   Revision: D0H20001    Serial number: AUX7Z0G9FNO10C
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 356AE9425C3891EA4D-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 8P0-959-801-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P0 959 801 K    HW: 8P0 959 801 K
   Component: Tuer-SG         H03 0050  
   Coding: 0000248
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: 438E879A02EC3F5AF3-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 1K1 909 144 M
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.078 H08 1901  
   Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
   VCID: 356AE9425C3891EA4D-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 8P0-959-433.lbl
   Part No: 8P0 959 433 L
   Component:    KSG          H11 0080  
   Coding: 0080202002186D0985054C8F0167
   Shop #: WSC 00350 219 17401
   VCID: 458A99820CD8016ADD-8010

   Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     

   Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     

   Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System        Labels: 8Px-035-382.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P4 035 382 D    HW: 8P4 035 382 D
   Component: AB2 SUBWOOFERBOXH06 0180  
   Revision: 00005       Serial number: 30674703339456
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 356AE9425C3891EA4D-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P0 959 802 K    HW: 8P0 959 802 K
   Component: Tuer-SG         H03 0050  
   Coding: 0000248
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: 448C848607E23862CA-8010

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8J0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 8P0 035 186 P    HW: 8P0 035 186 P
   Component: R Concert2+     H01 0270  
   Revision: 00H01000    Serial number: AUZ1Z3G6845465
   Coding: 0030211
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: 3F868B6A6E045BBA97-806A

1 Fault Found:
00857 - CD Changer Unit (R41) 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 24
                    Reset counter: 171
                    Mileage: 160743 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2016.07.07
                    Time: 22:49:48


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 8P4-959-801.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P4 959 801 E    HW: 8P4 959 801 E
   Component: Tuer-SG         H04 0040  
   Coding: 0000216
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 1012544
   VCID: 41828D9218F02D4AE1-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 8P4-959-802.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P4 959 802 E    HW: 8P4 959 802 E
   Component: Tuer-SG         H04 0040  
   Coding: 0000216
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 1012544
   VCID: 4280829E1DF63652F8-8016

No fault code found.

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I would seriously check for a broken or incorrectly seated strut spring and even a bad strut mount bearing, control arm worn or even a shifting sub-frame from improper TQ or gap between uni-body.

How have you verified the steering gear is what is at fault and it is not loose slightly failing to be secured to the sub-frame cross member?
 
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1) Can I conclude that there is still no way I will be able to upload/install a characteristic curve for a newly fitted steering rack using VCDS?
Correct.

2) Assuming no to the above, will I be able to drive the car without the characteristic curve installed the 10 miles or so the nearest dealer having done everything else?
I've driven my son's 2007 Mk.5 Golf from home (where rodents chewed through some wires) to a local shop while the power steering was completely dead. I think that was only about 3 miles rather than 10. It wasn't exactly fun, but it was entirely doable.

I'm not sure whether your new rack will be completely dead without the upload, or whether it has some generic curve in it that allows it to function to some degree.

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thanks Jack/Uwe. Definitely some more checking to do before pulling the steering rack out; not a cheap or easy job to do. I'll find the gremlin eventually! Thanks for the answers and suggestions.

Andrew
 
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