Audi A3 8P 1.6 petrol power loss

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automech

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Hi,

I have strange problem with 2010 Audi A3 1.6 petrol engine, when you start to drive in 1st gear and you let go off the clutch, there is no reaction to gas pedal, revs does not go any higher or lower. But if you touch the clutch pedal lightly (not enough to even slip a little) car goes with normal power until change to 2nd gear when situation repeats.

Problem does not occur on gears 3rd,4th,5th or when clutch pedal sensor or wheel speed sensor is disconnected.

I have changed the clutch sensor but problem is still present.

Things that was already changed:
-clutch pedal sensor
-crankshaft speed sensor
-intake with throttle body and pressure sensor
-ECU
-ABS pump

Things that I have checked with VCDS:
-engine speed
-wheel speed
-pedal monitoring
-engine load
-torque limitation
-injection time
-intake air pressure
-throttle body movement
-gas pedal signal
-ECU coding
-ABS coding

Code:
Wednesday,12,April,2017,17:02:19:22573
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 17.1.2.1 (x64)
Data version: 20170131 DS267.1
www.Ross-Tech.com

Workshop Code: 123 12345 076128

VIN: WAUZZZ8P6AA   License Plate: 
Mileage: 164210km-102035mi   Repair Order: 



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Chassis Type: 8P (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 69 72

VIN: WAUZZZ8P6AA   Mileage: 164210km-102035miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
 
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Address 01: Engine (BSE)       Labels: 06A-906-033-BGU.lbl
   Part No SW: 06A 906 033 JL    HW: 06A 906 033 JL
   Component:  BSE S71 1.6 2V     3460  
   Revision: --H01---    Serial number: AUX7Z0I4FNR0PN
   Coding: 0044071
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: 72EBB2E26DF70CD1E4-8026

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0010 1101

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (-----)       Labels: 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AN    HW: 1K0 907 379 AN
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H45 0107  
   Revision: 00H45001    
   Coding: 1142201209220003881404ED901B00413800
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   VCID: 7EF396D2E9AF58B190-802A

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8P0-820-043.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P0 820 043 BK    HW: 8P0 820 043 BK
   Component: KlimavollautomatH09 0130  
   Revision: 000241      Serial number: 8P0820043BK   
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 76E38EF2019F10F1C8-8022

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 8P0-907-063.clb
   Part No SW: 8P0 907 063     HW: 8P0 907 063 
   Component: BCM PQ35  B   104 0541  
   Revision: 00104 AG    
   Coding: 06000A2FB0051AC0203040E00000015C431229AA104DC929E40008A00040
   Shop #: WSC 06314 123 12345
   VCID: 71E9BDEEA8F137C91D-8024

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8P1 955 119 F    HW: 8P1 955 119 F  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer AU350  H10 0040 
   Coding: 00DD13

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 8P0-959-655-10.clb
   Part No SW: 8P0 959 655 P    HW: 8P0 959 655 P
   Component: Airbag AU1042 H06 0140  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003FB001BVXJ
   Coding: 30314238303830303035554A304C38503053
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Airba10AURB4 001001
   ROD: EV_Airba10AURB4.rod
   VCID: 4FAD1B16168501392B-801A

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3572DRB400008EB1396 

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3582DRB400008EACE98J

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Serial number: 35128RB400004DEB264T

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Serial number: 35228RB400004DEB2EC3

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 35547RB400004D9B84E0

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 35647RB400004D9B87B1

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 DB    HW: 1K0 953 549 DB
   Component: J0527           037 0070  
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: 75E189FE1C991BE9C1-8020

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8P0-920-xxx-17-MY8.clb
   Part No SW: 8P0 920 902     HW: 8P0 920 902 
   Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H01 0980  
   Revision: D0H01002    Serial number: 1244I002001011
   Coding: 0004028
   Shop #: WSC 56885 001 1048576
   VCID: 6ED3A69279CF283100-803A

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V4.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 AA    HW: 1K0 907 951 
   Component: J533  Gateway   H16 0222  
   Revision:   H16       Serial number: 4020K096050050
   Coding: E9807F46000202002102
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: 66C3DEB2513FE07178-8032

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 8P0 920 902     HW: 8P0 920 902 
   Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H01 0980  
   Revision: D0H01002    Serial number: AUX7Z0I4FNR0PN
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6ED3A69279CF283100-803A

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 8P0-959-801-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P0 959 801 N    HW: 8P0 959 801 N
   Component: Tuer-SG         H04 0100  
   Coding: 0000148
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: 46833E3231FFC07198-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 H
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 232    2901  
   Revision: 00H15000    
   Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
   VCID: 2F6D7B96BE4561394B-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P0 959 802 N    HW: 8P0 959 802 N
   Component: Tuer-SG         H04 0100  
   Coding: 0000148
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: 479D333636F5D97963-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 8J0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 8P0 035 152 E    HW: 8P0 035 152 E
   Component: R Chorus2+      H02 0280  
   Revision: 00H02000    Serial number: AUZ1Z2I5209596
   Coding: 0000021
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
   VCID: 2D51619EB449132979-8078

2 Faults Found:
00878 - Connection to Speaker Front Left 
            007 - Short to Ground
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100111
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 231
                    Mileage: 164210 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2017.03.24
                    Time: 00:29:38

00856 - Radio Antenna 
            011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100111
                    Fault Priority: 5
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 231
                    Mileage: 164210 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2017.03.24
                    Time: 00:29:38


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 8P4-959-801.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P4 959 801 F    HW: 8P4 959 801 F
   Component: Tuer-SG         H04 0050  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 1012544
   VCID: 428B22221DD7FC51B4-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels: 1K0-907-383-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 383 E    HW: 1K0 907 383 E
   Component: Anhaenger     H07 0080  
   Revision: 3A002002    Serial number: 00000118852282
   Coding: 0100000100000000
   Shop #: WSC 25477 000 00000
   VCID: 2F6D7B967E4561394B-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 8P4-959-802.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P4 959 802 F    HW: 8P4 959 802 F
   Component: Tuer-SG         H04 0050  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 06314 000 1012544
   VCID: 4385272602CDF559BF-8016

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 01:48)--------------------------
 
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Hello OP....:p
Please unplug OXS sensors to isolate possible heater shorts and add a ground strap to the chassis to block + battery to enhance.
Verify ground straps at all locations....
 
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Thanks for reply Jack, I cleaned all ground connections and disconnected OX sensors as you said, unfortunately it did not change the behaviour of the car.

What I noticed today is, engine gets back power when status of clutch sensor switches from position not depressed to partially depressed when car is already moving.

Code:
Vehicle Speed 	Switch Positions I
(current)	
 km/h	
0.0	111 <- driving out on the road from garage
0.0	111 
0.0	111
0.0	100
0.0	100
0.0	100
0.0	100
0.0	100
0.0	100
0.0	100
0.0	100
0.0	100
0.0	100
0.0	100
1.0	100
1.0	100
1.0	100
2.0	100
3.0	100
3.0	100
4.0	100
5.0	100
5.0	100
6.0	100
6.0	100
7.0	100
8.0	100
8.0	100
7.0	100
7.0	100
6.0	100
6.0	111
5.0	111
5.0	111
5.0	111
4.0	111
3.0	111
3.0	111
2.0	111
1.0	111
0.0	111
0.0	111
0.0	100 <- accelerating on the road form standstill
0.0	100
0.0	100
0.0	100
0.0	100
0.0	100
1.0	100
1.0	100
2.0	100
3.0	100
4.0	100
5.0	100
7.0	100
8.0	100
10.0	0     <- clutch fully disengaged, gas to the floor
12.0	0
13.0	0
14.0	0
15.0	0
16.0	0
17.0	0
17.0	0
18.0	0
19.0	100 <- light press on clutch (without slipping) 
21.0	0 <- car starts to acceleate with full power
25.0	0
27.0	0
29.0	0
31.0	0
34.0	100 <- change to 2nd gear
34.0	100
35.0	100
35.0	100
35.0	100
36.0	100
37.0	0  <- no power again
37.0	0
38.0	0
38.0	0
38.0	0
39.0	0
39.0	0
40.0	0
41.0	0
41.0	100 <- again light touch on clutch pedal without slipping
42.0	100
48.0	0  <- acceleration with normal power again
47.0	0
47.0	0
49.0	0
50.0	0
52.0	0
53.0	0
54.0	0
54.0	0
53.0	0
53.0	0
52.0	0
52.0	0
51.0	11 <- braking to make U-turn 
50.0	11
50.0	11
49.0	11
48.0	11
47.0	11
45.0	11
44.0	11
42.0	11
41.0	111
39.0	111
38.0	111
36.0	111
35.0	111
33.0	111
31.0	111
 
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Well the clutch and brake switch work with cruise signals or load offset of TQ request.
They are directly related to EPC.

I would readjust or isolate the switches to verify the condition is gone and then figure on a readjustment or replacement.

These switches in these cars are a POS, since they went to this one time use type..........
 
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I know that switches works with CCS and TQ and that's why I changed clutch sensor in first place, but I don't think it's possible to adjust them as they are hall sensors mounted on pumps, not on the pedal itself.

I was thinking if someone tried to activate CCS, which car is not equipped with, so I deactivated it just to be sure, but it didn't make any change.

But I'll try with the brake switch.

Thanks for the hint, every one counts :)
 
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Today I unplugged brake switch, which made it even worse.

After that I generated readiness codes with result of all systems OK. Strange thing is, it didn't solve the problem, but engine feels smoother and more powerful.
 
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I wonder if a new brake light switch makes a difference or if running a resistor to fake it steady during testing observation.
 
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