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    BSM 5.2 V10 in the S8

    Thanks for the link

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    BSM 5.2 V10 in the S8

    Thanks for the link
    http://www.vaglinks.com/vaglinks_com...FSI_Engine.pdf


    It is my experience with a setup such as this, SAE oil seals the valve stem seals, and rings better while also lubricating the chain, & is far superior to the synthetic oil grades.

    A friction modifier and adhesion additive to the oil with MOS2, will also benefit this engine and the cam adjusters or HPP lifters.

    Removing fine screens in all cam adjusters is advised.

    Changing the oil every 3-5K is also a significant benefit.

    Using the correct viscosity is important for cold starts and operation of the adjusters.

    10W in summer and 5W in the winter seems to work very well.


    With this mess you can see why...........



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    I have been putting this in it for the two years of ownership.



    As to intervals I have been changing every 3-4000 miles as it does 4-5 short runs a week with a longer run at weekends normally and I just dont conform to the 15-20k idea.

    Oil is the lifeblood of the engine and i'd rather keep changing it than change the engine.

    Do you still think that the grade needs changing for winter here in the UK, our weather doesnt change drastically like say in Canada where its 30+ in summer and -20 in winter.

    Screens in cam adjusters, why do you say to remove them. must be a back story as to why?

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    Because as small contaminants make there way to the adjuster from sludge, they plug the screen and cause errors that these small particles would never effect an adjuster anyway.
    I still think the full synthetic has less benefits for the chains or rings at those intervals for cost.
    Really the biggest error I find is that people overfil the sump.
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    Doesn't anyone have gas over this?

    Tier 3 fuels are coming and going to screw up engines .............

    http://www.cspdailynews.com/fuels-ne...fuel-standards

    EPA Finalizes Tier 3 Emission & Fuel Standards
    WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has finalized Tier 3 emission standards designed to reduce air pollution from passenger cars and trucks. Starting in 2017, Tier 3 sets new vehicle emissions standards and lowers the sulfur content of gasoline, considering the vehicle and its fuel as an integrated system.
    The vehicle standards reduce tailpipe and evaporative emissions from passenger cars, light-duty trucks, medium-duty passenger vehicles and some heavy-duty vehicles, the agency said.
    The gasoline sulfur standard will make emission control systems more effective for both existing and new vehicles, it added, and will enable more stringent vehicle emissions standards since removing sulfur allows the vehicle's catalyst to work more efficiently.
    The Tier 3 standards are closely coordinated with California's LEV III stan­dards as well as with the EPA's and California's programs for greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions from light-duty vehicles.
    The EPA also said that it is setting these Tier 3 standards to address public health issues.
    The Tier 3 program continues the successful transition that began with EPA's Tier 2 program, finalized in 2000, in which EPA treated vehicles and fuels as a system to reduce both gasoline sulfur and vehicle emissions.
    According to the Society of Independent Gasoline Marketers of America (SIGMA), "the new regulations were the subject of years of conflict between automakers, which generally support cleaner fuels that lower their costs, and the oil industry, which will bear billions of dollars in extra costs. Because of these extra costs, which could ultimately lead to higher prices at the pump, SIGMA has opposed the rule. Environmentalists have supported the rule as an effective means to reduce smog, and say it could be one of President Obama's most lasting environmental initiatives."
    The American Petroleum Institute (API) said, "EPA's new Tier 3 rule requiring the last bits of sulfur to be removed from gasoline will unnecessarily raise costs and actually increase CO2 emissions at U.S. refineries because of the energy-intensive hydro treating equipment needed to meet the new standard."
    "This rule's biggest impact is to increase the cost of delivering energy to Americans, making it a threat to consumers, jobs and the economy," said API downstream group director Bob Greco. "But it will provide negligible, if any, environmental benefits. In fact, air quality would continue to improve with the existing standard and without additional costs."
    The new rule could require $10 billion in capital costs, said API, citing a study by Baker & O'Brien. The annual compliance cost is $2.4 billion, equating to a potential cost increase of between six cents and nine cents per gallon of gasoline produced."
    "Besides the enormous costs and negligible environmental benefit, we are also concerned about the timeline of EPA's new rule," Greco said. "The rushed timeframe leaves little opportunity for refiners to design, engineer, permit, construct, start up and integrate the new machinery required. This accelerated implementation only adds costs and potentially limits our industry's ability to supply gasoline to consumers."
    The Petroleum Marketers Association of America (PMAA) said, "the regulation will not require infrastructure changes at the distributor or retail level, and the lower sulfur content is compatible with all gasoline powered cars and trucks; however, the supply bottlenecks and increased gasoline price burden on consumers are a concern."
    The EPA said that the final standards are based on input from a broad range of groups, including state and local governments, auto manufacturers, emissions control suppliers, refiners, fuel distributors and others in the petroleum industry, renewable fuels providers, health and environmental organizations, consumer groups, labor groups and private citizens.
    "These standards are a win for public health, a win for our environment, and a win for our pocketbooks," said EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy. "By working with the auto industry, health groups and other stakeholders, we're continuing to build on the Obama Administration's broader clean fuels and vehicles efforts that cut carbon pollution, clean the air we breathe and save families money at the pump."
    Click here to view the EPA's Tier 3 webpage.
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    Looks like fuels and high mile oil consumption using SAE oil is becoming a routine thing to circumvent it.........

    The good old days and SAE history.

    http://www.sae.org/news/releases/rightoil.htm
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    Yeah... unless I see a significant difference in oil consumption, 0W40 for me in the S4 and NMS 1.8T, thank you very much
    I once put full synth 5W50 (or 5W40, hard to recall) in my Peugeot 405 1.9D and it got dry within 150 miles of highway. This never happened its usual regimen of semi-synth 10W40, so I know there's some truth to Jack's theory under certain circumstances (and even a name for it, unctuosity).
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    Todays Inversion of fuel and oil perversion..........

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    Turns out Premium gas doesn't do much

    Made for engines that operate at higher pressure


    https://www.click2houston.com/automo...doesnt-do-much




    NEW YORK (CNNMoney)
    - The term "Premium" gas is a little misleading. You may think it's better than "Regular" gasoline because, well, it is called "Premium" and it costs more.


    Really, it's just a slightly different formulation made for engines that operate at higher pressures and, therefore, require a more stable fuel. In an engine that's engineered to run on lower-octane Regular gas, using Premium doesn't make one bit of difference, except on your credit card statement. It costs about 50 cents more per gallon, according to AAA. In many cars and SUVs, Premium gasoline is "recommended," but not "required." Engineers at AAA set out to see whether using Premium gas instead of Regular really makes a difference in these cars. The answer: It makes a little difference in performance and fuel economy but not much. Still, there are circumstances where it makes sense to pay for it in these vehicles. AAA tested Premium and Regular gasoline in six vehicles: a Ford F-150, a Cadillac Escalade, a Mazda Miata, an Audi A3, a Ford Mustang GT and a Jeep Renegade. On average, the vehicles got 2.7% better fuel economy when running Premium gas. But that's just an average. The results varied from a 7.1% improvement in the big Escalade SUV to a 1% decrease in fuel economy in the small Audi A3. That means fuel savings are not enough to offset the cost difference between Regular and Premium gas. According to AAA's test, it would cost about $300 more to run a Cadillac Escalade on Premium for a year, based on EPA fuel economy estimates and national average gas prices. Still, you might want to spring for Premium sometimes, said Bill Studzinski, a fuels expert with General Motors, the company that makes the Escalade. It will run just fine on Regular under most circumstances, he said. But under extreme conditions, such as when towing a trailer or driving in extremely hot weather, using Regular could lead to damage. AAA also says that if you hear knocking or pinging sounds in your engine, consider that the sound of your car asking for the more expensive fuel. AAA also looked at horsepower output. On average, vehicles produced 1.4% more horsepower using Premium. It made the biggest difference in the V8-powered Mustang GT, which generated 3.2% more power using Premium. But the Jeep Renegade actually produced slightly less power when running on Premium. In some cars, usually luxury models, Premium fuel is actually required, not just recommended. These vehicles could sustain damage from prolonged use of Regular gasoline. But most engines are designed to run on Regular all the time. In those engines, using Premium fuel won't hurt anything, but it also won't improve anything, either. In any event, to save money on gas and prevent straining your engine, follow the recommendations in the owner's manual.

    Hmmmmm just how many engines now are stratified and or charged?

    Don't you think this article is vague & could indeed use some pointers on educating consumers better on why Octane/RON matter and what the true affects of flash point importance is or will result in for service requirements increasing costs to consumer & the vicarious GHG's emitted,; further in addition to some aforementioned load offsets, however, based on application, altitude and geographic climate conditions, and fuel system strategies that are permitted based on its certificate of conformity ( COC ) with CARB/EPA....right? The first thing I would want to know is what is the car actually designed to run on and why right? "NostraJackAss" Has Questioned Credentials & why these people don't insist the consumer first pick up their service book & before writing such an incendiary article, with such statements which hardly comport with good engineering judgment right? Just how many people will hear the knock or ping with todays knock sensors and map recognition, IDK since the 80s? Don't you think the car will just run with reduced output and dump fuel as a side effect as a way of masking detonation? With that extra fuel used don't you believe it will damage an AECD such as the CAT or SAI , EGR systems or most importantly enter an oil sump, plus a result of diluting the strict oil requirements of todays engines, yet to only cause IDK the carbon build up to be exacerbated when failed to be remediated by PCV or EVAP, it just flows right down the intake valve now being a solvent? Don't you think you have some things to consider here, besides saying such things that "premium is misleading" because indeed you are misleading the people that don't know right? Don't you believe it is a FACT that CARBON is indeed, engines of today biggest enemy? .....


    NostraJackAss Has Questioned this bullshit?
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