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    CCTA TSI valve actuator problem

    Here is a quick run down. New customer has car towed into shop. 2010 Passat CCTA TSi 2.0, DSG. Car has cam correlation code p0016 and abnormal chain noise and misfire codes on all cylinders. I used DrPeter's quick reference procedure and measured the distance between the cam sprockets with the engine at TDC. That looked ok. 125.5 mm between the sprokets. The distance between the bridge and the intake mark was slightly under spec by a few mm it measured about 59-60 mm. I checked for bent valves with a leak down gauge then did a compression test. All looked good. The customer said the oil light came a few times in the past week just before the car started having problems so I hooked up the oil pressure gauge. It was 25psi at idle and increased as I rev'd it up so that appeared acceptable. According to the customer oil was checked both times the light came on. One time it was a quart low and the other time it didn't require oil.

    I decided to remove the lower timing cover and install the latest chain tensioner with the K suffix and a new cover. Once removed, I noticed the oil deflector on the inside of the cover was making contact with the chain in two different places. The center deflector was almost cut in half. I installed the new tensioner and retimed both chains. I noticed with the upper cover off the cam chain wanted to jump off the sprockets when the engine was turned over by hand. I contributed this to the tensioner not having been pressurized so I cranked it over with the upper timing cover off and that stopped once it had oil pressure. Once the car started up it immediately started to misfire but no correlation code. I was getting misfire codes on 1 and 4. I have swapped out the plugs and coils with known good parts as well as the cam sensor. I also blocked off the oil/air separator to get that out of the equation. After running the car for a few minutes and trying different things. I noticed the correlation code had come back. So I took the top cover off and measured again. Still looks good. Still has good compression. The car runs for about five minutes without throwing the cam correlation code. This makes me think the car doesn't recognize the correlation problem until the ECU is in closed loop. Does this sound plausible?

    I have another car in the shop that is identical year and model so I looked at group 91 in the engine controller and made note of how the cam adjuster functions with relation to the data blocks. After looking at the problem car again I realized that the cam adjuster is not functioning at all. Group 91 block two is 5.9, three 28'kw, four 28'kw. All blocks except 1 RPM, stay constant even with increased RPM. I have since taken the N205 valve out. It looks good and is not stuck. I also removed the aluminum bridge between the cams to inspect the screen and make sure nothing was plugged up and that looks good. Reinstalled after inspection and car runs the same.

    Any ideas what might be going on with this engine? The owner is already crying about the initial cost of repair. I have too much time involved already and the car still doesn't run right. Should I pull the pan off and inspect the oil pickup tube? Could the chain be stretched? Could the fluted actuator be jammed up? I found a VW self study program #246 it says "If the vvt fails to function the fluted variator will be pressed by the oil pressure to the basic position of 25 ATDC". I think this is the 3 and 4 block in 91.

    I have installed the updated tensioners and retimed a few of these now in the past month but haven't run into this issue yet. I replaced an engine recently in a GTI that had a CCTA engine and the cams were nearly seized into the head from lack of oil. Could something like this be happening. The last bearing on the oil bridge that supports the end of the exhaust cam looked good and was not scored. I am running out of ideas here. I know the measurement between the intake gear mark and bridge are slightly off its making me think the cam adjuster is stuck. Can I actuate the valve adjuster with the engine not running? Thanks in advance.

    Code:
    VIN: WVWJK7AN5AE120690   Mileage: 169680km-105434miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    77-Telephone -- Status: Malfunction 0010
     
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    Address 01: Engine (CCT)       Labels: 06J-906-026-CCT.clb
       Part No SW: 06J 906 026 DA    HW: 06J 906 026 DA
       Component: MED17.5 TFSI 2,0    6987  
       Revision: AAH16---    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
       Coding: 0404010A1C070160
       Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
       VCID: 6CDDDCF94FFA425EA7-8038
    
    8 Faults Found:
    000022 - Bank 1: CMP Sensor (G40) / Engine Speed Sensor (G28) 
                   P0016 - 000 - Incorrect Correlation - MIL ON
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 11100000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 169675 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2010.06.25
                        Time: 21:37:16
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 855 /min
                        Load: 36.1 %
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 42.0C
                        Temperature: 36.0C
                        Absolute Pres.: 1010.0 mbar
    
    000768 - Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected 
                   P0300 - 000 -  - MIL ON
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 11100000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 169681 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2010.06.26
                        Time: 00:15:02
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 673 /min
                        Load: 36.8 %
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 60.0C
                        Temperature: 50.0C
                        Absolute Pres.: 1010.0 mbar
    
    000769 - Cylinder 1 
                   P0301 - 000 - Misfire Detected - MIL ON
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 11100000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 169681 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2010.06.26
                        Time: 00:15:54
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 802 /min
                        Load: 34.5 %
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 63.0C
                        Temperature: 53.0C
                        Absolute Pres.: 1010.0 mbar
    
    000771 - Cylinder 3 
                   P0303 - 000 - Misfire Detected - MIL ON
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 11100000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 169681 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2010.06.26
                        Time: 00:15:54
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 802 /min
                        Load: 34.5 %
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 63.0C
                        Temperature: 53.0C
                        Absolute Pres.: 1010.0 mbar
    
    000772 - Cylinder 4 
                   P0304 - 000 - Misfire Detected - MIL ON
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 11100000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 169681 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2010.06.26
                        Time: 00:15:54
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 802 /min
                        Load: 34.5 %
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 63.0C
                        Temperature: 53.0C
                        Absolute Pres.: 1010.0 mbar
    
    000770 - Cylinder 2 
                   P0302 - 000 - Misfire Detected - MIL ON
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 11100000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 169682 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2010.06.26
                        Time: 00:31:25
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 691 /min
                        Load: 30.2 %
                        Speed: 3.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 80.0C
                        Temperature: 60.0C
                        Absolute Pres.: 1010.0 mbar
    
    001286 - Idle Control System 
                   P0506 - 000 - RPM Lower than Expected
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 169675 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2010.06.25
                        Time: 21:37:19
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 806 /min
                        Load: 40.8 %
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 42.0C
                        Temperature: 37.0C
                        Absolute Pres.: 1010.0 mbar
    
    001290 - Cold Start Idle Air Control System 
                   P050A - 000 - Malfunction
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 0
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 169688 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2010.06.29
                        Time: 22:59:54
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 984 /min
                        Load: 58.4 %
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                        Temperature: 19.0C
                        Temperature: 23.0C
                        Absolute Pres.: 1010.0 mbar
    
    Readiness: 1010 0101
    
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    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.lbl
       Part No SW: 02E 300 053 A    HW: 02E 927 770 AL
       Component: GSG DSG AG6     511 2106  
       Revision:    51112    Serial number: 00001002160188
       Coding: 0000020
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
       VCID: 132FA70532043DA6C6-8046
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 3C0-614-109-C4.clb
       Part No SW: 3C0 614 109 AF    HW: 3C0 614 109 AF
       Component: J104    C4 440 V2   0015  
       Revision: --025---    Serial number: 00000104064102
       Coding: 0000380
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
       VCID: 62C1B2C1BD3E042E1D-8036
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels: 3C8-907-336.clb
       Part No SW: 3C8 907 336 AJ    HW: 3C8 907 336 AJ
       Component: Climatic      H14 0305  
       Revision: 00009001    
       Coding: 0000001002
       Shop #: WSC 05311 115 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatic A01005
       ROD: EV_ClimaBasis_VW36.rod
       VCID: 75EBF99DD4B0839648-8020
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
       Part No SW: 3C8 937 049 E    HW: 3C8 937 049 E
       Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2602  
       Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000003683383
       Coding: 15848F0340041A00470000000F00000000285D435C000120000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 05124 000 00000
       VCID: 336F07855244DDA6A6-8066
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C1 955 419 B  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer 120210 006  0208  
       Coding: 00046997
       Shop #: WSC 05124  
    
    4 Faults Found:
    02394 - Parking Light Left Front (M1) 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 144
                        Mileage: 138802 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            ON
                        Voltage: 11.85 V
                            ON
                            ON
                            OFF
                            OFF
                            OFF
    
    02395 - Parking Light Front Right (M3) 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 144
                        Mileage: 95964 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            ON
                        Voltage: 13.70 V
                            ON
                            ON
                            OFF
                            OFF
                            ON
    
    01495 - Bulb for High-Beams; Left (M30) 
                010 - Open or Short to Plus
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101010
                        Fault Priority: 3
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 144
                        Mileage: 168459 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            ON
                        Voltage: 13.15 V
                            ON
                            ON
                            OFF
                            OFF
                            OFF
    
    00978 - Lamp for Low Beam; Left (M29) 
                010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101010
                        Fault Priority: 1
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 155
                        Mileage: 168456 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            ON
                        Voltage: 13.65 V
                            ON
                            ON
                            OFF
                            OFF
                            OFF
    
    
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    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 5N0-959-655.lbl
       Part No SW: 5N0 959 655 Q    HW: 5N0 959 655 Q
       Component: J234__00C VW10 HI   1918  
       Revision: 23016000    Serial number: 003JZPRFBFU8  
       Coding: 0012355
       Shop #: WSC 25355 444 99070
       VCID: 4B9F7F652AB4A566CE-801E
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C0 959 339 D
       Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 001 0002
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 00000000005FKH
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 0026.12.090000100000630038† 63
    
       Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 630038† 6332MTS690900340 † 63
    
       Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 00340 † 6342MTS600740270 † 63
    
       Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 40270 † 6351HTS6D80I86KJ † 63
    
       Subsystem 7 - Serial number: I86KJ † 6361HTS6PBT486KR † 63
    
       Subsystem 8 - Serial number: 486KR † 63727TS69GRH86KR † 63
    
       Subsystem 9 - Serial number: H86KR † 63827TS6L1GI86KR 
    
       Subsystem 10 - Serial number: I86KR 
    
    3 Faults Found:
    01578 - Airbag Deactivation Warning Lamp; Passenger Side (K145) 
                009 - Open or Short to Ground - Intermittent - MIL ON
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 10101001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 2
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 131736 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2015.04.24
                        Time: 16:16:52
    
    00588 - Airbag Igniter; Driver Side (N95) 
                001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - MIL ON
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 11100001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 65537 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2014.02.09
                        Time: 20:54:51
    
    03551 - Functional Restriction of Seat Occupied Recognition 
                000 -  -  - Intermittent - MIL ON
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 10100000
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 83
                        Reset counter: 255
                        Mileage: 44399 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2013.09.24
                        Time: 18:00:39
    
    
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    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 3C0-953-569.clb
       Part No SW: 3C5 953 501 BG    HW: 5K0 953 569 T
       Component: LENKS.MODUL   009 0122  
       Revision: FF010035    Serial number: 20100212200095
       Coding: 098A270002
       Shop #: WSC 05311 115 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS A03002
       ROD: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS.rod
       VCID: 6BDFDFE582F44566AE-803E
    
    1 Fault Found:
    365080 - Controls in Steering Wheel 
              U108E 00 [009] - No Communications
              Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 34
                        Mileage: 95964 km
                        Date: 2014.08.16
                        Time: 01:00:11
    
    
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    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 3C8-920-xxx-17.clb
       Part No SW: 3C0 920 972 L    HW: 3C0 920 972 L
       Component: KOMBI         H03 0305  
       Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 260F00
       Shop #: WSC 05314 115 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04052
       ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_SK35.rod
       VCID: 2F670BF5766CF946C2-807A
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 3C0-907-530-V3.clb
       Part No SW: 3C0 907 530 Q    HW: 3C0 907 951 
       Component: J533  Gateway   H13 0172  
       Revision:   H13       Serial number: 3620P102180826
       Coding: FD807F07001612001002
       Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
       VCID: 2F670BF5BE6CF946C2-807A
    
    2 Faults Found:
    01304 - Radio 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 2
                        Reset counter: 45
                        Mileage: 131735 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
    03272 - Control Module for Audio Interface 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 3
                        Reset counter: 45
                        Mileage: 131735 km
                        Time Indication: 0
    
    
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    Address 1C: Position Sensing        Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
       Part No SW: 3C8 919 965     HW: 3C8 919 965 
       Component: Kompass         001 0001  
       Revision: 00001000    Serial number: 1614128T1CEP02
       Coding: 0000002
       Shop #: WSC 05314 000 00000
       VCID: 75EBF99D1CB0839648-8020
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 3C0-959-433-25.clb
       Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 AP    HW: 3C0 959 433 AP
       Component:    IMMO         052 0383  
       Revision: 00052000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
       Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
       VCID: 78F5F0A90BA2FEFE53-802C
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C0 905 861 H
       Component:    ELV          028 0380
       3C0905861H     ELV          028 0380   
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 2E: Media Player 3
    Cannot be reached
    
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    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
       Part No SW: 3C0 959 701     HW: 3C0 959 793 
       Component: TUER-SG FT    002 0305  
       Revision: 13101005    Serial number: 0000475171
       Coding: 0004B5
       Shop #: WSC 05311 115 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DCU42BroseDriveSide A03004
       ROD: EV_DCU42BroseDriveSide.rod
       VCID: 65CBA9DD64107316F8-8030
    
       Slave Driver: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3C0 959 703 A    HW: 3C0 959 795 A  Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
       Component: J388__TSG-HL  004 0402 
       Serial number: 00000001298478      
       Coding: 000490
    
    4 Faults Found:
    65537 - Function Restricted due to Missing Message(s) 
              U1111 00 [008] - -
              Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 2
                        Mileage: 131736 km
                        Date: 2015.04.24
                        Time: 21:12:37
    
    66304 - Switch for Drivers Side Window Regulator 
              B11F0 29 [008] - Signal Implausible
              Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 176
                        Mileage: 169316 km
                        Date: 2016.01.30
                        Time: 03:41:29
    
    67332 - Remote Rear Lid Unlock Button 
              B1210 29 [008] - Signal Implausible
              Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 3
                        Mileage: 129913 km
                        Date: 2015.04.12
                        Time: 05:09:47
    
    67589 - Turn Signal in Exterior Mirror 
              B11FD 01 [009] - Electrical Failure
              Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 254
                        Reset counter: 144
                        Mileage: 98555 km
                        Date: 2014.09.21
                        Time: 03:47:55
    
    
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    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 5N1-909-144.clb
       Part No SW: 5N1 909 144 K    HW: 5N1 909 148 G
       Component: J500__APA-BS KL.148 0703  
       Revision: 1AH03726    Serial number: 00100460153401
       Coding: 0000258
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
       VCID: 3A712AA1752E2CEE65-806E
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 3C0-959-433-46.clb
       Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 AP    HW: 3C0 959 433 AP
       Component:    KSG PQ46 RDK 052 0412  
       Revision: 00052000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
       Coding: 13910F8001862E521004141FF08A0F0E085801
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
       VCID: 78F5F0A90BA2FEFE53-802C
    
       Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted     
    
       Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted     
    
       Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted     
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
       Part No SW: 3C0 959 702     HW: 3C0 959 792 
       Component: TUER-SG BT    002 0305  
       Revision: 15101005    Serial number: 0000479154
       Coding: 0004B4
       Shop #: WSC 05311 115 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_DCU52BrosePasseSide A03004
       ROD: EV_DCU52BrosePasseSide.rod
       VCID: 66C9AED19916780EF1-8032
    
       Slave Passenger: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3C0 959 704 A    HW: 3C0 959 794 A  Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
       Component: J389__TSG-HR  004 0402 
       Serial number: 00000001281053      
       Coding: 000490
    
    1 Fault Found:
    67589 - Turn Signal in Exterior Mirror 
              B11FD 01 [008] - Electrical Failure
              Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 252
                        Reset counter: 184
                        Mileage: 157259 km
                        Date: 2015.10.22
                        Time: 01:24:05
    
    
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    Address 53: Parking Brake        Labels: 5N0-907-801.clb
       Part No SW: 3C8 907 801 E    HW: 3C8 907 801 E
       Component: J540 EPB3  VW-15417 0007  
       Revision:   010       Serial number: 00000000179775
       Coding: 0000057
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
       VCID: 2C5D1CF98F7A825EE7-8078
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 56: Radio
    Cannot be reached
    
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    Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
       Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 AP    HW: 3C0 959 433 AP
       Component:    RDK              0453  
       Revision: 00052000    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
       Coding: 0100101
       Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
       VCID: 78F5F0A90BA2FEFE53-802C
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 77: Telephone        Labels: 5P0-862-335.lbl
       Part No SW: 1Z0 035 729 E    HW: 1Z0 035 729 E
       Component: FSE_2P8x        H40 0190  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000005203557
       Coding: 0013077
       Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
       VCID: 3A712AA1752E2CEE65-806E
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01304 - Radio 
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 5
                        Fault Frequency: 2
                        Reset counter: 45
                        Mileage: 131735 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2015.04.23
                        Time: 21:53:27
    
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:58)--------------------------
    Last edited by El Polaco; 02-13-2016 at 09:48 AM.

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    Quick update. I pulled the oil pan and there was a fair amount of both metallic particles in the oil as well as the "coffee grounds" from infrequent oil changes. Most of the coffee was under the oil pick up leaving me to conclude they settled after shut down. Nothing as severe as the old 1.8t motors. Also the oil was just changed only a few miles ago when the other shop had it. I think infrequent oil service and starvation hurt this engine.

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    Hello,


    Any ideas what might be going on with this engine?
    Could the chain be stretched?
    - It is possible there is a chain issue. The only way you can really tell if it is stretched is to take it out and compare the length to a new chain.

    - Oil pressure may not be 100% at the Intake Camshaft Adjuster or the adjuster may have issues.
    - If you have not replaced the control valve, this could also be of concern, I personally replace it when I replace the chains, guides, cam bridge, etc.


    Can I actuate the valve adjuster with the engine not running?
    - You can perform the output test of the N205, this will simply activate the electromagnet and push on the control valve.
    You still need hydraulic(oil) pressure to activate the adjuster.

    - Run the Basic Settings test, select Group[094] or from the pull down menu "Camshaft Adjustment (Intake)", press [On/Off/Next] when the engine is running, field 4 should display the results.


    - One last note, I dig into these engines with the attitude that 'I might as well"... remove, replace, reseal, etc.. since I am in there.
    Because I know if I do not replace something, it will usually come back and bight me in the butt, I do not like that - Yes it does cost more, but you know you have done the job right.


    Hope this helps,

    drpeter

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    Peter, thanks for taking the time to reply. As a fairly new business owner I need to get into the habit of covering my a$$ a little better sometimes. Occasionally, I get customers that cry about the cost of everything so I tend to recommend the bare necessities. I have cleaned the pan and oil pick up and sealed the oil pan back onto the car. When you say control valve I take it you are referring to the N205 that threads into the intake cam? I didn't replace it but I check its movement and made sure it wasn't restricted due to debris. I also removed the cam bridge and the screen was in place and clean. I am putting the car back together now but I will check the basic settings and see if I can get the adjuster working again. I am starting to see more issues with these engines as the miles increase. I have a feeling the problem is in the adjuster at the end of the intake cam. I don't want to recommend any further repairs with this customer as this has been a negative experience from the get go.

    Thanks
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    Whenever metal in the pan it is time to tear down and inspect, measure and rebuild, or replace.
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    Peter, thanks for taking the time to reply.
    - You are welcome.


    When you say control valve I take it you are referring to the N205 that threads into the intake cam?
    - The control valve controls the oil pressure to the Intake Camshaft Adjuster via the N205's actions.

    You can do an image search for [06H109257A] on the internet, that maybe the correct part number for your application,
    not 100% sure, check with your parts distributor for the correct parts/numbers.

    That part needs to work 100% correctly, all the time the engine is running.

    - You will also need the Control Valve Assembly Tool for proper removal and installation.
    The above tool webpage is where most VW/Audi dealers order their tools from.


    drpeter

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    Thanks Peter. I have the tool and removed the 06H109257A valve and inspected it. I also have one on my desk right now that I took apart that was in a blown motor. It seems as long as the inner part of the valve is moving freely it should do its job. But the part is completely dependent on good oil pressure and like you said must work 100% of the time. I think most of the metal came from the chain rubbing on the inner deflectors of the lower timing cover. I have already recommended an engine replacement to the customer so she is taking it away. The car is in overall poor condition inside and out and was clearly not maintained properly. Its supposed to leave this week. This customer and vehicle were a total waste of my time, lesson learned.

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    I have bee working thru a similar problem.
    2009 Tiguan CCTA engine.
    Completely gone thru, rebuilt head, new timing chains, tensioners, oil pump, water pump, coils, plugs, cam sensor, crank sensor.
    Well it ran great for 300 miles then thru misfire codes and cam crank sensor related codes that we are all familiar with. Ran great down highway but very hard to start and idled rough.
    I removed the N205 thinking it could be activating at idle and depressing the valve. On a whim I tried to start the car with it removed. I was happy when it started up and idled perfectly. When I pushed in on the valve I could modify the cam timing and reproduce the rough idle. I was leaking some oil so didn't run long like this.
    What is strange is that the n205 in its deactivated state pushed in on the adjuster enough to a cause the rough idle. It was as if the adjuster moved out toward the n205 or the n205 failed and moved in toward the adjuster? Can the camshaft move out? Can the n205 be bad? I still need to run the basic output test and check it. For now I fabricated a shim to move the n206 out about .060" and replaced the 3 screws. Now the car runs great. Nice idle, nice on highway, easy start, 25mpg... I start to wonder how many cars out there could idle nice and start better if this was adjustable. I will know more after the basic test to see if the actuator works like it was intended
    Stay tuned.

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    Gpeterso, is your car throwing any codes? Also, what is the reading in group 091 block 3 and 4? I believe that was the measuring block that shows the cam actuation. I didn't try removing the magnetic solenoid while running, if I run into that problem again I'll give it a try. The car that was causing me grief went away last week, the owner was going to trade it in.

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    Have you verified the oil PSI regulation?
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