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    except that code was from 2010. the cheat started in 2008, with the qualification of 2009 model year cars. (like the one I own)

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    I think it would be very interesting to see where in the code they hid the cheat. I suspect a small number of folks actually knew, and there was (and still is) as section of code which runs every start up, treated as, don't mess with this, don't ask what it does, but don't monkey with it.

    Not that they are likely to publish this kind of detail.

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    Yup........


    except that code was from 2010. the cheat started in 2008, with the qualification of 2009 model year cars. (like the one I own)
    Yup Mike our cars are covered in this............


    Soon the TSI and TFSI as well exhibit this code too.

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    Been trying to sell my 2009 internally for $20k. Get in before the buy back!!! So far no takers

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    In theory you could make them buy it back treble damages for false advertising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Been trying to sell my 2009 internally for $20k. Get in before the buy back!!! So far no takers
    I used to try to rent my kids to childless couples contemplating having kids, to save on baby sitting costs.

    That never worked either.

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    Here's the original university test: http://www.theicct.org/sites/default...al_may2014.pdf
    Check out the last paragraph in the conclusion!

    And the EPA letter to VW: http://www3.epa.gov/otaq/cert/docume...a-09-18-15.pdf

    I haven't been able to find the rest of the test results the EPA and CARB have to make them go after VW.

    And the 2012 Jetta uses a CJAA and the 2013 Passat uses a CKRA. The university paper claims they are the same engine. Thoughts?

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    A little more clear information here:http://www.theicct.org/news/epas-not...ress-statement

    It contains the letter from CARB as well. But it still seems to hinge on the first 3 cars tested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hans j View Post
    And the 2012 Jetta uses a CJAA and the 2013 Passat uses a CKRA. The university paper claims they are the same engine. Thoughts?
    Depends on how you define "engine". They may use many of the same parts (block, head, crank, pistons, valves, etc) but I'm pretty sure the 2012 Jetta was still using a NOx trap while all the NMS Passats (starting in 2012) used an SCR/DEF system.

    VW used to retain the same engine code even with rather substantial changes, e.g. the original 2.8L VR6 kept the AAA engine code despite changing from a distributor to coil packs around 1992 and then switching from an 8-bit ECU to a 16-bit, doing away with the idle stabilizer valve and using a motorized throttle body in 1996 and a different intake manifold with the advent of OBD-II. But over the last decade, it seems they've gone the other way and will now change the engine code even for very minor minor differences..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastian View Post
    If they go after VW, then they need to go after everybody else as well - this has been an industry standard for as long as I can remember. Besides, the article is false - it's not a device. At best it's a piece of the software that detects the standardized drive cycle and adjusts parameters accordingly to meet the requirements. Have you ever wondered why the gas mileage listed for your car is tough/impossible to reach? Same thing...
    I agree, if VW Group have done this I am sure others would do the same thing

    I have been trying to find out what engine type my MY2015 Skoda Superb has in the UK, CFGB engine (2.0TDi 170ps) ... Is this the "Type EA189 engine" that seems to be effected?

    Can the fantastic Ross Tech help me

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