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    How to find the G85 Steering Angle Sensor in Golf-based cars

    This thread is intended to help sort out confusion about the location of G85 (and therefore applicable procedures for crash repairs and module replacements). Specifically in some Mk5/Mk6 based cars, there is a 44-Steering Assist module for electric power steering while others have a hydraulic power steering unit without electronics or integral sensors. So, to get started:

    Some applicable Wiki pages:

    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...odule_Versions

    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...ics_%28MK60%29

    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index..._%28MK60EC1%29

    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...ics_%28MK70%29

    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...teering_Assist

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    I'll be editing this for a while.

    It should add clarity after I'm done locating scans from our R-T family vehicles.




    The location of G85 in Mk5 and Mk6 Golf based vehicles depend primarily on the type of ABS and Steering systems but the Steering Wheel Electronics is also relevant. I can't cover every possible scenario but these are some of the most common NAR market examples:

    2005-2008 Jetta, Golf, Rabbit, Eos

    2008 GTI:
    Code:
    Wednesday,24,April,2013,06:34:38:15495
    VCDS Version: Release 11.11.5
    Data version: 20121222
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: 1K0
    Scan: 01 03 08 09 0F 15 16 17 19 1C 25 42 44 46 52 55 56 65
    
    VIN: WVWED71K58W330910   Mileage: 110510km/68667miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    55-Xenon Range -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
    65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (CBF)       Labels: 06J-907-115-CBF.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 115 AD    HW: 1K0 907 115 AD
       Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI     0060  
       Revision: E3H12---    Serial number: VWX7Z0H33NP7VV
       Coding: 0403010818070160
       Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
       VCID: 68D4733C5B4F5C5889C
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0000 0000
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC    HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
       Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0101  
       Revision: 00H11001    
       Coding: 0021122
       Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
       VCID: 73EE14501289AF802CE
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 820 047 HS    HW: 1K0 820 047 HS
       Component: Climatic PQ35   142 1111  
       Revision: 00142031    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 7CFC3F6C3FD7E0F87D4
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
       Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AJ    HW: 3C0 937 049 AJ
       Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2202  
       Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000008311308
       Coding: 178D8F214004150047140000001400000028770B5C000100000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 785 00200
       VCID: 71E21E5868959D90DE2
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer 210408 021  0501  
       Coding: 00038805
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 0F: Digital Radio        Labels: 8E0-035-593-SIR.lbl
       Part No SW: 8E0 035 593 M    HW: 8E0 035 593 M
       Component: SDAR SIRIUS     H07 0150  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: AUZ4Z7H0303069
       Coding: 0000000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 336ED4505209EF80ECE
    
    1 Fault Found:
    02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated 
                000 -  - 
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 7
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 224
                        Mileage: 110396 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 11:41:34
    
    
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    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB    HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
       Component: 6K AIRBAG VW8R  034 8000  
       Revision: 05034000    Serial number: 003B6D0B39V1  
       Coding: 0013899
       Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
       VCID: 6CDC0F2C4FB77078ED4
    
       Part No: 1K0 959 339 G
       Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0007
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 BP    HW: 1K0 953 549 BP
       Component: J0527           752 0101  
       Coding: 0002022
       Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
       VCID: 8102CE98D8350D10AE2
    
       Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
       Component: E0221           002 0010
    
    5 Faults Found:
    00576 - Terminal 15 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
    00883 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal S 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
    00885 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal 50 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
    00884 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal X 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
    01744 - Ignition Switch Terminal P (D) 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
    
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    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K6 920 974 A    HW: 1K6 920 974 A
       Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 2216  
       Revision: V0002000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H33NP7VV
       Coding: 0007203
       Shop #: WSC 06417 444 54452
       VCID: 3260D154AD13E688E78
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 L    HW: 1K0 907 951 
       Component: J533  Gateway   H07 0052  
       Revision:   H07 01    Serial number: 180408F1008767
       Coding: E9811F070013020000
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 3064DB5CA31FD49891C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 1C: Position Sensing        Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K6 919 879     HW: 1K6 919 879 
       Component: Kompass         001 0003  
       Revision: 00001000    Serial number: 1225223T34K403
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: FDFAB268A4CD69F0CAA
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 1K6 920 974 A    HW: 1K6 920 974 A
       Component: IMMO            VDD 2216  
       Revision: V0002000    Serial number: VWX7Z0H33NP7VV
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 3260D154AD13E688E78
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 M    HW: 1K0 959 701 M
       Component: Tuer-SG         006 1207  
       Coding: 0001077
       Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
       VCID: 3874E37C4B6F0CD8D9C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
       Part No: 1K1 909 144 M
       Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.074 H08 1901  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 028 00001
       VCID: 356AEA485C7DF1B0C2A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
       Component:    KSG PQ35 RDK 052 0221  
       Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 139006885103281B0904058FB0080A04889C00
       Shop #: WSC 00000 785 00200
       VCID: 840CC78CC7271838854
    
       Component:   Sounder n.mounted     
    
       Component:       NGS n.mounted     
    
       Component:      IRUE n.mounted     
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 M    HW: 1K0 959 702 M
       Component: Tuer-SG         006 1207  
       Coding: 0001076
       Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
       VCID: 3972E678706515D0262
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Xenon Range        Labels: 1T0-907-357.lbl
       Part No: 1T0 907 357 
       Component: Dynamische LWR      0003  
       Coding: 0000003
       Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
       VCID: F4EC974C978728B8B54
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 L    HW: 1K0 035 180 L
       Component: Radio PM6       019 0036  
       Revision: 00019000    Serial number: VWZ5Z7H2227353
       Coding: 0040401
       Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
       VCID: 2952363880C5A550562
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT    HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
       Component:    RDK              0450  
       Revision: 00052000    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 0100101
       Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
       VCID: 840CC78CC7271838854
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End   ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    In this example we have Component: ESP FRONT MK60 ABS with a Gen 2 Steering rack Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.074.

    The 44-Steering Assist module does NOT support an internal steering angle sensor. If you attempted to read Adaptation Channel 009: Steering Angle Sensor it would report error. The 16-Steering Wheel electronics, Slip Ring and G85 sensor are all sold separately in this type of vehicle.

    In this case G85 is located on the steering column behind the slip ring. If you needed to perform a calibration that would be done using this procedure: VW Golf (1K) Brake Electronics (MK60)
    Last edited by Dana; 09-08-2017 at 01:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana View Post

    In this case G85 is located on the steering column behind the slip ring.
    Dana: Not sure if you are aware (likely you are), the G85 sensor on a mk7 Golf (5AU) is physically inside the steering rack. Alas, "the steering angle sender - G85- cannot be renewed separately." (according to VW)

    Don

    PS: I think the need to replace the entire steering rack for a G85 fault on the later model Golf is called "progress"!
    Last edited by DV52; 09-08-2017 at 08:04 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DV52 View Post
    PS: I think the need to replace the entire steering rack for a G85 fault on the later model Golf is called "progress"!
    Hopefully, they will come up with a different approach as these cars age. It's happened before with other components.

    -Uwe-
    Ceterum censeo, delenda est Daesh.

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    Hi Don, yeah they started that in 2009 on the last of the Mk5 chassis cars here. I'm working on a new thread that's mostly Mk5 and 6 but I may generalize the MQB platform at the very end of it.

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