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    Lightbulb 09G to 02Q transmission swap (2006 3C Passat)

    Hello,
    I have a 2006 Passat (its been my project car for a few years now) I have always wanted to swap the 09g to a manual 02Q transmission, but I have heard there is a ton of programing that needs to be done (which is what has stopped me from attempting it). Has anyone done it? What I have read around says I need to reprogram the ABS, ECU, and Cluster. Should I just forget about it? or anyone has some programing advice they could give me.
    Thanks a lot!

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    let's start in good fashion with an autoscan? see below.
    maybe it's an idea to sell the car and buy one with a DSG?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iichel View Post
    let's start in good fashion with an autoscan? see below.
    maybe it's an idea to sell the car and buy one with a DSG?
    I think he wants a proper, 3-pedal manual, not a DSG.

    2006 Passats were offered with a manual in the US, so it should be doable. Trouble with them was that you could only get a manual in the lowest, base trim of the car. If you wanted any options at all (stuff like a nicer interior, sunroof, Navi, or xenons) you to take the slushbox auto. Note: I'm assuming this is a 2.0T car. The 3.6 VR6 was never available with a manual, and those were the only two engines offered here.

    But I do agree, a complete Auto-Scan of the car in its current (stock?) state would tell us much.

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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Ah yes. Now I understand. We have the same here in Europe. You want a polo highline TDI? Excellent, have a standard dsg. Funny thing is, in the Netherlands the dsg will add the two grams of co2 to jump straight into the next tax disc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    I think he wants a proper manual, not a Automatic.
    Fixed

    OP:
    Anything is doable... with enough time and money

    Chances are you'll need a replacement manual ECU for the engine you have... otherwise a good "tuner" may be able to sort it out - though by the time you've paid for that and got it all correct, you may be getting close to the price of a brand new ECU from VW to suit your engine.

    Bear in mind I've only ever scanned 1 Passat of that vintage, and touched 2 :-), but I can say, that a manual conversion in a 2006 mk5 Golf is fairly easy as far as conversions go. Replace ECU with manual version, code a couple of places, remove the trans wiring and earth a wire to tell it it's allowed to start (as per factory wiring diagrams), install clutch switch, fit manual trans/pedal/shifter etc.

    Are you allowed to fit an ECU from a Euro car there? I'm guessing the emissions etc are different, because of things like the evap leak pump etc, that a lot of other places don't have.

    Google is your friend, but filter everything you read and confirm - lots of people think they know what they are talking about and have no idea (Not on here though - people have been VERY helpful on here for my project car).

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZDubNurd View Post
    Are you allowed to fit an ECU from a Euro car there? I'm guessing the emissions etc are different, because of things like the evap leak pump etc, that a lot of other places don't have.
    No, that's definitely not legal. Now there are plenty of places in the USA where you could get away with that, but given that the OP is located in California, no way. They will interrogate the ECU with each emissions inspection and there's a generic OBD-II PID that specifies which set of emissions standards the ECU complies with.

    -Uwe-

    PS: I'm confident someone like Jack or Marin could put manual trans software in the ECU if that's required.
    Last edited by Uwe; 02-13-2018 at 11:56 AM.
    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Code:
    VCDS
    Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
    VCDS Version: Release 17.8.0(x64) Data version: 20170721 DS276.2
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    Dealer/Shop Name:
    Workshop Code: 000 00000 000000
    Self-Diagnosis Log
    Tuesday,13,February,2018,12:21:57:10169
    VIN: WVWEK73C56P155772 License Plate: 217
    Mileage: 225600km-140181mi Repair Order:
    Chassis Type: 3C (3C0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 15 16 17 19 1C 25 42 44 46 52 53 56 62 65
     72
    VIN: WVWEK73C56P155772 Mileage: 225600km-140181miles
    00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
    01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 1010
    53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    65-Tire Pressure -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    VCDS
    Self-Diagnosis Log
    Tuesday,13,February,2018,12:21:57:10169
    Page 2
    VIN: WVWEK73C56P155772 License Plate: 217
    Address 01: Engine Labels:. 06F-907-115-AXX.clb
     Part No SW: 3C0 907 115 F HW: 3C0 907 115 F
     Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI 0030
     Revision: --H14--- Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
     Coding: 0404010A19070160
     Shop #: WSC 22228 444 85679
     VCID: 234593A5E2F2415EB7-8076
    1 Fault Found:
    000010 - Camshaft Positioner (Bank 1 Intake)
     P000A - 008 - Slow Response - Intermittent
     Freeze Frame:
     Fault Status: 00101000
     Fault Priority: 0
     Fault Frequency: 2
     Reset counter: 255
     Mileage: 225479 km
     Time Indication: 0
     Date: 2018.02.01
     Time: 11:26:42
     Freeze Frame:
     RPM: 2183 /min
     Load: 31.0 %
     Speed: 81.0 km/h
     Temperature: 48.0C
     Temperature: 15.0C
     Absolute Pres.: 950.0 mbar
     Voltage: 14.351 V
    Readiness: 0000 0000
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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    Self-Diagnosis Log
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    Page 3
    VIN: WVWEK73C56P155772 License Plate: 217
    Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09G-927-750.clb
     Part No SW: 09G 927 750 HJ HW: 09G 927 750 CJ
     Component: AQ 250 6F 1068
     Revision: 00H38000 Serial number:
     Coding: 0000072
     Shop #: WSC 22228 444 85679
     VCID: 000FFC295324BA468A-8054
    1 Fault Found:
    01314 - Engine Control Module
     013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
     Freeze Frame:
     Fault Status: 00100100
     Fault Priority: 2
     Fault Frequency: 33
     Reset counter: 0
     Mileage: 66351 km
     Time Indication: 0
     Date: 2008.08.09
     Time: 16:25:32
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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    Self-Diagnosis Log
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    Page 4
    VIN: WVWEK73C56P155772 License Plate: 217
    Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels:. 3C0-614-095-C2.clb
     Part No SW: 3C0 614 095 Q HW: 3C0 614 095 Q
     Component: ESP 440 C2 H015 0003
     Revision: H015 Serial number: 0658614583
     Coding: 0013755
     Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
     VCID: 306F6CE9A304EAC63A-8064
    2 Faults Found:
    01423 - Lateral Acceleration Sensor (G200)
     014 - Defective - Intermittent
     Freeze Frame:
     Fault Status: 00101110
     Fault Priority: 3
     Fault Frequency: 1
     Reset counter: 113
     Mileage: 225241 km
     Time Indication: 0
     Date: 2017.12.11
     Time: 00:00:01
    01314 - Engine Control Module
     013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
     Freeze Frame:
     Fault Status: 00101101
     Fault Priority: 3
     Fault Frequency: 1
     Reset counter: 122
     Mileage: 225418 km
     Time Indication: 0
     Date: 2017.12.27
     Time: 16:23:17
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
     Part No: 1K0 820 047 EC
     Component: Climatic PQ35 090 0505
     Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
     VCID: 69D9C18D405E5B0E3D-803C
    No fault code found. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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    Self-Diagnosis Log
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    Page 5
    VIN: WVWEK73C56P155772 License Plate: 217
    Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels:. 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
     Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 Q HW: 3C0 937 049 Q
     Component: Bordnetz-SG H46 1501
     Revision: 00H46000 Serial number: 00000002315018
     Coding: 14848F0340041A00400A00000F00000000285D435C0000
     Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
     VCID: 377D57F5466A3DFE7B-8062
     Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C1 955 119 Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
     Component: Wischer VW461 012 0503
     Coding: 00063445
     Shop #: WSC 00028
    1 Fault Found:
    01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387)
     004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
     Freeze Frame:
     Fault Status: 00100100
     Fault Priority: 2
     Fault Frequency: 3
     Reset counter: 97
     Mileage: 224667 km
     Time Indication: 0
     Date: 2017.11.22
     Time: 22:49:00
     Freeze Frame:
     OFF
     Voltage: 12.50 V
     OFF
     ON
     OFF
     OFF
     OFF
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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    Self-Diagnosis Log
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    Page 6
    VIN: WVWEK73C56P155772 License Plate: 217
    Address 0F: Digital Radio Labels: 8E0-035-593-SIR.lbl
     Part No SW: 8E0 035 593 D HW: 8E0 035 593 D
     Component: SDAR SIRIUS H03 0060
     Revision: 00000000 Serial number: AUZ4Z7E2018189
     Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
     VCID: 2A5B7E8185D89016F4-807E
    1 Fault Found:
    02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated
     000 - -
     Freeze Frame:
     Fault Status: 01100000
     Fault Priority: 7
     Fault Frequency: 1
     Reset counter: 73
     Mileage: 225241 km
     Time Indication: 0
     Date: 2017.12.11
     Time: 00:13:19
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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    Self-Diagnosis Log
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    Page 7
    VIN: WVWEK73C56P155772 License Plate: 217
    Address 15: Airbags Labels: 3C0-909-605.lbl
     Part No SW: 3C0 909 605 K HW: 3C0 909 605 K
     Component: 0N AIRBAG VW8R 029 2521
     Revision: 10029000 Serial number: 003A3P0BQB14
     Coding: 0012366
     Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
     VCID: 2E537291B930FC3628-807A
     Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C0 959 339 A
     Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 006 0002
     Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 00000000032ZU5
     Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 0001.01.000000600000000000†63*
     Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 000000†6332MSME0D5078318†63 * *
     Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 078318†6342MSME0D5B594CV†63 * *
     Subsystem 6 - Serial number: B594CV†6351HTS61IKEK5K2N†63 * *
     Subsystem 7 - Serial number: EK5K2N†6361HTS61IKE8543/†63 * *
     Subsystem 8 - Serial number: E8543/†63727TS6I2IU56533†63 * *
     Subsystem 9 - Serial number: U56533†63827TS6I2IQIBQ2  *
     Subsystem 10 - Serial number: QIBQ2 
    No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 3C0-953-549-SW20.lbl
     Part No SW: 3C0 953 549 E HW: 3C0 953 549 E
     Component: J0527 0015
     Revision: 00005000 Serial number: 3C5953507P
     Coding: 0002111
     Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
     VCID: 2E537291B930FC3628-807A
     Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
     Component: E0221 006 0080
    No fault code found. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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    Self-Diagnosis Log
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    Page 8
    VIN: WVWEK73C56P155772 License Plate: 217
    Address 17: Instruments Labels: 3C0-920-xxx-17.lbl
     Part No SW: 3C0 920 970 R HW: 3C0 920 970 R
     Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VD1 4240
     Revision: X0033000 Serial number: 00000000000000
     Coding: 0007205
     Shop #: WSC 22228 444 52549
     VCID: 336563E55212D1DE47-8066
    No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels:. 3C0-907-530-V1.clb
     Part No SW: 3C0 907 530 C HW: 3C0 907 951 A
     Component: Gateway 007 0040
     Revision: 00007000 Serial number: 0700C05C2800D5
     Coding: 3FFD0E04D31002
     Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
     VCID: 214999ADF8EE534EA5-8074
    1 Fault Found:
    01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387)
     004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
     Freeze Frame:
     Fault Status: 00100100
     Fault Priority: 2
     Fault Frequency: 1
     Reset counter: 97
     Mileage: 224667 km
     Time Indication: 0
     Date: 2017.11.22
     Time: 22:49:21
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 1C: Position Sensing Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
     Part No SW: 3C0 919 965 HW: 3C0 919 965
     Component: Kompass 005 0002
     Revision: 00005000 Serial number: 1166279TQ5P304
     Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
     VCID: 6DD1B59D74B6472E51-8038
    No fault code found. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    VCDS
    Self-Diagnosis Log
    Tuesday,13,February,2018,12:21:58:10169
    Page 9
    VIN: WVWEK73C56P155772 License Plate: 217
    Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 3C0-959-433-25.clb
     Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 C HW: 3C0 959 433 C
     Component: IMMO 041 0364
     Revision: 00041000 Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
     Shop #: WSC 00028 118 51761
     VCID: 2A5B7E8185D89016F4-807E
     Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C0 905 861 D
     Component: ELV 024 0370
     3C0905861D ELV 024 0370
    No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN2.lbl
     Part No: 1K0 959 701 K
     Component: Tuer-SG 024 2365
     Coding: 0001205
     Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
     VCID: 36635AF14160C4F660-8062
    No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V2.clb
     Part No: 1K1 909 144 K
     Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.5 D06 1701
     Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
     VCID: 336563E55212D1DE47-8066
    No fault code found. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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    Self-Diagnosis Log
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    VIN: WVWEK73C56P155772 License Plate: 217
    Address 46: Central Conv. Labels:. 3C0-959-433-46.clb
     Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 C HW: 3C0 959 433 C
     Component: KSG PQ46 RDK 041 0213
     Revision: 00041000 Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
     Coding: 13910F8801862E521804141FF00A0F0E081800
     Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
     VCID: 2A5B7E8185D89016F4-807E
     Subsystem 1 - Component: Sounder n.mounted
     Subsystem 2 - Component: NGS n.mounted
     Subsystem 3 - Component: IRUE n.mounted
    2 Faults Found:
    01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387)
     004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
     Freeze Frame:
     Fault Status: 00100100
     Fault Priority: 4
     Fault Frequency: 1
     Reset counter: 97
     Mileage: 224667 km
     Time Indication: 0
     Date: 2017.11.22
     Time: 22:49:21
    00956 - Key 2
     005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation - Intermittent
     Freeze Frame:
     Fault Status: 00100101
     Fault Priority: 4
     Fault Frequency: 1
     Reset counter: 99
     Time Indication: 0
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN2.lbl
     Part No: 1K0 959 702 K
     Component: Tuer-SG 024 2365
     Coding: 0001204
     Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
     VCID: 377D57F5466A3DFE7B-8062
    1 Fault Found:
    00933 - Electric Window Motor; Passenger Side (V148)
     005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation - Intermittent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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    VIN: WVWEK73C56P155772 License Plate: 217
    Address 53: Parking Brake Labels: 3C0-907-801-53.clb
     Part No SW: 3C0 907 801 B HW: 3C0 907 801 B
     Component: EPB VC8HC001 013 0001
     Revision: 013
     Coding: 0000013
     Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
     VCID: 214999ADF8EE534EA5-8074
    No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 56: Radio Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
     Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 C HW: 1K0 035 180 C
     Component: Radio PM6 016 0017
     Revision: 00016000 Serial number: VWZ5Z7E2052832
     Coding: 0040400
     Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
     VCID: 204F9CA9F3E45A46AA-8074
    2 Faults Found:
    00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
     002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
     Freeze Frame:
     Fault Status: 00100010
     Fault Priority: 3
     Fault Frequency: 1
     Reset counter: 113
     Mileage: 225241 km
     Time Indication: 0
     Date: 2017.12.11
     Time: 00:00:02
    00872 - Bass Speaker Rear Left (R15)
     011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
     Freeze Frame:
     Fault Status: 00111011
     Fault Priority: 3
     Fault Frequency: 2
     Reset counter: 114
     Mileage: 224661 km
     Time Indication: 0
     Date: 2017.11.22
     Time: 15:59:49
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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    VIN: WVWEK73C56P155772 License Plate: 217
    Address 62: Door, Rear Left Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN2.lbl
     Part No: 1K0 959 703 D
     Component: Tuer-SG 021 2432
     Coding: 0000144
     Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
     VCID: 316969EDA80EE3CE35-8064
    No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 65: Tire Pressure Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
     Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 C HW: 3C0 959 433 C
     Component: RDK 0391
     Revision: 00041000 Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
     Coding: 0100101
     Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
     VCID: 2A5B7E8185D89016F4-807E
    1 Fault Found:
    00667 - Ambient Temperature Signal
     008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
     Freeze Frame:
     Fault Status: 00111000
     Fault Priority: 4
     Fault Frequency: 5
     Reset counter: 113
     Mileage: 225241 km
     Time Indication: 0
     Date: 2017.12.11
     Time: 00:13:20
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN2.lbl
     Part No: 1K0 959 704 D
     Component: Tuer-SG 021 2432
     Coding: 0000144
     Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
     VCID: 326B66E1AD08D8D64C-8066
    No fault code found.
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:05)--------------------------
    Last edited by Uwe; 02-13-2018 at 05:45 PM. Reason: CODE tags

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    It is a 2.0T with a tiptronic 09G transmission BPY engine. I own a 2009 CC with manual transmission and I absolutely love it over the Passat automatic transmission. I found a possible donor (2010 Jetta) for most of the parts, but I have no clue how to do any of the modules reprogramming.
    Thanks for all the responses!

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    Please don't use the PRINT function in VCDS to post data here. The formatting is less than optimal and it's much harder to read here than the native text that VCDS generates. Please just copy & paste text directly, either using the COPY button on the Auto-Scan screen or by opening one of the text files that VCDS generates (for example in your Scans sub-folder) using Notepad and then copying the text here.

    Please see: How to Get Verified.

    My gut says the ECU 3C0-907-115-F is specific to the auto trans application. If I'm right about that, then it would need MT software flashed into it, which is something that can't be done using VCDS.

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    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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