2003 eurovan axk misfire

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First post so go easy please
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Chassis Type: 70 (7D - VW Transporter/Multivan (1996 > 2004))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 17 18 19 22 25 35 37 56
 
VIN: WV2MB47063H017160   Mileage: 386530km-240178miles
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 022-906-032-AXK.lbl
   Part No: 022 906 032 AF
   Component: MOTRONIC ME7.1  G   0003  
   Coding: 00013
   Shop #: WSC 02757  
   VCID: 4FF87BA4AECF60FF920-51CE

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0100

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 01P-927-733.lbl
   Part No: 01P 927 733 CM
   Component: AG4 Getriebe 01P    4973  
   Coding: 00000
   Shop #: WSC 00000  
   VCID: 005A889823114F875BA-0962

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 7D0-907-379.lbl
   Part No: 7D0 907 379 E
   Component: ESP 5.3 T4 FRONT    V37  
   Coding: 06639
   Shop #: WSC 01110  
   VCID: 333017542227241F968-5184

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: None
   Part No: 7D0 907 040 
   Component: CLIMATRONIC         0004  
   Coding: 00032
   Shop #: WSC 01110  
   VCID: 5F98ABE4FE2FD07F020-2596

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1J0-909-60x-VW3.lbl
   Part No: 1J0 909 603 CK
   Component: AIRBAG VW3 -        V04  
   Coding: 17227
   Shop #: WSC 02757  
   VCID: 74B2D44867A963274F2-4B7A

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 7D0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No: 7D0 920 902 T
   Component: T4-KOMBIINSTR. VDO V01   
   Coding: 03235
   Shop #: WSC 02757  
   VCID: 3534294C2C533A2FB8C-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001  
   Coding: 00003
   Shop #: WSC 02757  
   VCID: 70BAD85813B15F07ABA-5160

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 6X0-953-257.lbl
   Part No: 6X0 953 257 
   Component: IMMO                0008  
   Coding: 00001
   Shop #: WSC 00000  
   VCID: 7DA4F16C54E3226F30C-4B1E
   WV2MB47063H017160     VWZ1Z0B2099433

No fault code found.

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Address 35: Centr. Locks        Labels: 7D0-959-800.lbl
   Part No: 7D0 959 800 C
   Component:    Funksteuergerát  0001  
   Coding: 00001
   Shop #: WSC 02757  
   VCID: 2D04012CC40372EFC0C-4B1E

No fault code found.

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First starts with p0300 code, then one by one all the cylinders appear, p0301, p0302 etc. They appear in no particular order and eventually the MIL light comes on. Can clear the MIL light and it stays out for 30 to 40 miles. Watched blocks 15 and 16 and all cylinders seem to misfire about the same. Misfires only occur at light, below 30% engine load, engine warmed up and RPM 2000-2600. Idles fine, never occurs under heavy load, or high rpm, but when engine has been working hard, and then come off the throttle to go down the other side of the hill and engine is not at idle but is being given a little gas many misfires occur. However, never any other codes. After warmed up and in Park, if revved to 2000 to 2500 will show misfires and eventually go into a limp mode with the forward O2 sensor biased up to 4 volts or so. Clear codes and goes back to normal. Fuel trims are .8 and 2.0 most of the time.
I have fixed several vacuum leaks, an exhaust leak, so both systems are now tight. New MAF, O2 sensors, fuel filter, plugs. SAI system checked, works fine. Fixed intake manifold change over flap, now activates around 4500 rpm. Passes all readiness checks. I do not hear any of the chain rattle that would seem to go with a chain problem. Oil is synthetic and has been changed regularly.
One incident about 2000 miles before this started, got p0345 code twice in about 500 miles. Both times shut off engine, reset the code, and engine ran fine afterwards. I cleaned and swapped the camshaft sensors when I got back from the road trip but have not seen either camshaft code since.
I like this van, but really want to solve this, Thanks.
 
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I want you to change oil & use SAE oil 10W30 & 5w30"non synthetic" to reseal the rings and guides.....about 3 quarts of each to blend the weight to 7.5.

I want you to run new grounds to each coil pack to the chassis or battery........ 2 for each pack!

Change spark plugs to Bosch # FR7LDC+ or even maybe FR8LDC+ if plugs are cruddy soot looking.
Before doing so what is CF in VCDS when logged under increasing loads 0x01-08-020/021 ?

Run one cup of marvel mystery oil in gas tank with low test 87 Octane fuel to bring up increased combustion temps for flash point dropped.

What is the status of the fuel injectors and carbon deposits on intake valve's?

Please crimp off N80 to see if this is contributing to sucking fuel at load offset or if brake booster is leaking false air?

What MAF part # was installed and was it genuine?
 
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I can answer some of these questions, have checked brake booster with Mighty-Vac, no leaks, MAF was Bosch and same part # as original, I can look tomorrow. I will also look at the 20/21 values again, but usually when checked they are 0. I'll try crimping off N80, it does test fine with the mighty vac but I have not crimped it while road testing.
Plugs look clean, would just like to understand, what does the Bosch plug do, and should it be done in conjunction with the Marvel Mystery Oil? Running NGK PZFR5D-11 plugs right now.
Have run a can of Sea Foam through with the gas, did not seem to change anything, have not pulled the injectors. Seemed the chances of all of them going out at the same time would be unusual, but was going to be one of the next things I checked.
For grounding the coils, I have the six individual ones, where would you splice on the new ground wires? Looks like two of the wires going to each coil pack, the brown and green/brown are grounds. I have checked and cleaned all other the grounds I can find.
Oil change will take a few more days, when I get a chance to work on it.
What's been really puzzling is the good idle, and runs great at high power settings, but misses at low power and specific rpm, and no additional codes with the misfires.
Thanks for the help, and I will report back.
Steve
 
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Plugs look clean, would just like to understand, what does the Bosch plug do, and should it be done in conjunction with the Marvel Mystery Oil? Running NGK PZFR5D-11 plugs right now.

Pay attention to heat ranges and thread pitches because this is ME7.1 but is using the later style plugs and coils in this motor that came in ME7.1.1

Or use NGK if thread is special in head to 1.25 pitch vs 1.5 mm that plug and run one heat range hotter. In NGK they run hotter the lower the number and Bosch the higher the number.

It doesn't have to be Bosch just a hotter heat range & monitor CF or misfire.
I have the six individual ones, where would you splice on the new ground wires?

Yup but don't splice run new runs to ground directly with new W-crimps.

Yes run with marvel & higher heat range.

Grounds do funny stuff...........
 
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At 240,000 miles, maybe a compression test would be in order?

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2003 eurovan axk misfire

I'm curious is AXK the engine code as ETKA doesn't list EuroVan or AXK? ;)
 
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2003 eurovan axk misfire

I'm curious is AXK the engine code as ETKA doesn't list EuroVan or AXK? ;)

Sure it does .......


At 240,000 miles, maybe a compression test would be in order?

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Yup that's why I said to install the SAE oil to help restore that compression seal.
 
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2003 eurovan axk misfire
I'm curious is AXK the engine code as ETKA doesn't list EuroVan or AXK? ;)
It's a T4 van. The engine is a 2.8l 24V VR6, of with 201hp/204ps. The engine mechanicals are pretty much the same as other 24V VR6 engine of that vintage, but the intake manifold is quite different to fit better in the Transporter's tall, but short engine bay.

This is our 2001 (same engine):

271px-VW-Transporter7D.jpg


It still in service as our "company truck".

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Would probably be a great idea to enhance those ground straps and to the coils in the RT-Mystery-Machine. /\
 
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An update, and thanks for all the help.
Crimped off N80 no help.
Logged 20/21 (not sure what CF stands for), and also not sure how to post the log, but at heavy loads, shows no misfire on MB 14, but up to 6 KW on all MBs for 20/21, but usually 2.0 to 3.0 at 78%+ load. As load goes up number gets higher, seems to be no pattern as to which cylinder and how much.
I believe this is telling me it is retarding the timing to prevent knocks, but what is causing this?
Did not do a compression check since miss was on all cylinders, figured I would see a few going bad first, but can do one. Does not burn an oil between changes, 5000 miles after oil change, still shows full.
Taking a longer trip today and will try 87 and Marvel.
Steve
 
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Also exhaust manifolds are different due to the engine tilt, try and find new ones.
Steve
 
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The more I go on to this website the less I want to respond to people but why don't you start with checking your timing chain I can't believe that somebody has not mentioned already. Go ahead and check Cam correlation especially since you already have a p0345.
 
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Checking the timing chain is fairly involved on this engine, and I only had p0345 twice and it has not reoccurred in 2000 miles. No other correlation codes, and no rattle. From what I see most timing chain problems would have unclearable camshaft and crank correlation codes. I have cleaned and checked all cam and crank sensors, and they all look and test good.
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Sure it does .......

I assure you it doesn't, that's the same for California.

Manufacturer: VW, Date(s) Used: 05/2013-08/2015, Model: Transporter, Transmission Code: NZQ, Transmission Type: 7A
Manufacturer: VW, Date(s) Used: 02/2013-08/2015, Model: California CampMobil, Transmission Code: NZQ, Transmission Type: 7A

They only list CampMobil.
 
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I assure you it doesn't, that's the same for California.
Can you also assure us that your ETKA is legit and covers NAR models? ;)

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I'm not too familiar with your engine but does it have a intake cam sensor and exhaust cam sensor. If it does have both intake and exhaust cam sensors you can pretty much verify cam correlation with vcds. Also you need to inspect oil pressure if it has any kind of variable cam timing.
 
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Checking the timing chain is fairly involved on this engine, and I only had p0345 twice
Steve

Thats like saying i am a virgin, i have only had sex twice. a vr6 with 240k miles that thing had sex with all kinds of things;). good luck :popcorn:
 
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Still wondering about the fact that above 78% load on Measuring Block 20 and 21 I get between .8 and 6 kw. Not sure what CF stands for, but assume it is the value in the block for degree of cylinder retard to prevent knock. Is this normal?
Ran 87 and Marvel for 250 miles so far, no codes at 70 to 80 mph, but same problem, low power and 2000 to 2500 rpm throws misfire codes. Have not had a chance to swap plugs.
Yes my van does exist as Uwe can attest to. Uwe or Jack, do you know if the check for chain stretch with VCDS applies to the AXK engine? The only VW bulletin that I see has the BDF engine and several others but not AXK. My block 90 and 91 values are -8 and -10, but they do not change warm or cold.
Thanks,
Steve
 
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