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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    What's different about a the Golf R sold in Germany? OK, you can probably order with a sunroof there, but aside from that?
    They got a mild power bump this year along with the mid-cycle refresh, and the power bump (along with some other minor bells and whistles) isn't coming to NAR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PetrolDave View Post
    IMHO ALL performance vehicles should have manual shifters as one of the main pleasures in driving is coordinating throttle, clutch and shifter to make shifts smooth and seamless - letting either a slushbox or some mechatronics do it just isn't right.
    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vreihen View Post
    With no 6-speed manual gearbox available anywhere in the world?
    Sorry, manual transmission was an implied/non-spoken requirement

    Yes, the eGolf comes with an "automatic" transmission...but it's a one-speed and I cold live with it knowing that the tradeoff was made for technical reasons and not just customer laziness.....
    My volt is one of those single speed/infinite transmissions and it works well and very smooth/quiet. I like it alot.

    I haven't driven an e-golf yet, but if they made an e-golf-r (golf-ER!?!?), I'd be all up in that shit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    What's different about a the Golf R sold in Germany? OK, you can probably order with a sunroof there, but aside from that?

    -Uwe-
    yeah aside from performance differences, there are different lighting (ie LED's etc), sunroof as noted, bigger multimedia screens, more individual options you can choose, slightly updated platform mk 7.5/8 or whatever is current now.

    It's like the US is a couple years behind euro, and it seems like all we get is the left over scraps from a couple a years ago.

    That or it takes extra years for the boat to bring them over.

    to update my wish list;

    - manual golf r with either supercharged vr6 or audi 5 cyl.
    - manual amarok-r same above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Dub View Post
    I just want the same golf r as in germany.

    oh, also, an amarok-r.

    and of course, peace on earth, good will towards man, and safe full of guns and money.

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    I wish VWoA wanted more than >4% of the US market share.... to stop treating the US market like a red headed step child... on a rented mule.

    Take a place like New Zealand... population of about 4.7 Million Kiwis running around drinking L&P and eating pies. Now look at New York City, population of about 8.5 million. Explain to me how a country smaller than a US city gets Transporter, Caddy, Amarok, Polo and Scirocco?

    Now part of it, as I understand it, NZ kind of says "good enough for Australia, good enough for us", so the VW New Zealand can piggy back off of the Aussies' market. Lets look at how many people are in the Mad Max fan club... just over 24 million people there eating Vegemite.... so between New Zealand and Australia, we have total population close to 29 million (rounding up some).

    So, 29 million potential customers for VW work with.... pretty good odds a bunch of those people will want a Transporter or Caddy. Now lets look at the US market... with only 325 million people, you would think VW might be able to sell a few more vehicles IF they actually offered them.

    I'd jump on a Golf R Variant if it was offered in the US... but hey, 3.5% market share is good enuff.

    And a side note... why does it take MONTHS to get an ordered car? It is a sold unit.. build it, ship it. I thought that modular platform crap was suppose to help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jef View Post
    Take a place like New Zealand... population of about 4.7 Million Kiwis running around drinking L&P and eating pies. Now look at New York City, population of about 8.5 million. Explain to me how a country smaller than a US city gets Transporter, Caddy, Amarok, Polo and Scirocco?
    ...because they have governments that aren't owned by lobbyists, who keep stopping the repeal of the 1960's knee-jerk "chicken tax" as a protection for American auto workers from a European invasion.

    As for the little deathtraps, I guess that their sales projections are not showing it as profitable to jump through the North American hoops for crash/environmental testing. Does anyone have last year's Fiat 500 sales figures?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jef View Post
    Explain to me how a country smaller than a US city gets Transporter, Caddy, Amarok, Polo and Scirocco?

    Now part of it, as I understand it, NZ kind of says "good enough for Australia, good enough for us", so the VW New Zealand can piggy back off of the Aussies' market.
    Right, and as I understand it, Australia says, "good enough for Europe half a decade ago, good enough for us".

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Australia just adopt the Euro 5 emissions standards, which have been mandatory in Europe since 2009?

    I don't know what Australia does for safety standards, but my guess is, they take a similar approach: "If it's good enough for Europe, Japan, or the US, it's good enough for us?"

    Whereas in the US, we have our very own set of both emissions and safety standards, and it costs many millions to certify that a car model (and each drivetrain in that model!) meets those standards.
    The engineering problems are likely insurmountable. It would be like proposing to land a rocket booster section on a barge floating in the middle of the ocean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jef View Post
    I wish VWoA wanted more than >4% of the US market share.... to stop treating the US market like a red headed step child... on a rented mule.

    Take a place like New Zealand... population of about 4.7 Million Kiwis running around drinking L&P and eating pies. Now look at New York City, population of about 8.5 million. Explain to me how a country smaller than a US city gets Transporter, Caddy, Amarok, Polo and Scirocco?

    Now part of it, as I understand it, NZ kind of says "good enough for Australia, good enough for us", so the VW New Zealand can piggy back off of the Aussies' market. Lets look at how many people are in the Mad Max fan club... just over 24 million people there eating Vegemite.... so between New Zealand and Australia, we have total population close to 29 million (rounding up some).

    So, 29 million potential customers for VW work with.... pretty good odds a bunch of those people will want a Transporter or Caddy. Now lets look at the US market... with only 325 million people, you would think VW might be able to sell a few more vehicles IF they actually offered them.

    I'd jump on a Golf R Variant if it was offered in the US... but hey, 3.5% market share is good enuff.

    And a side note... why does it take MONTHS to get an ordered car? It is a sold unit.. build it, ship it. I thought that modular platform crap was suppose to help.
    Jeff: As a card-carrying "Vegemite eater and Mad Max-denier" I'm not sure that it's simply a matter of numbers - as I think Uwe is suggesting (albeit market size is a prime determinant of market wealth in a mass production industry like car manufacturing). Fact is that the VW group is such a global monolith that loss-of-market -share in any one country is not mission critical (notwithstanding the importance of NAR models in the VW stable). I recall reading somewhere that VW had something like 25 factories around the globe and as you are aware, a VW factory is like a mini city!!

    As for how VW makes decisions about which models to place in which market, my long held belief (based on nothing more than an uniformed hunch) is that the controlling share holders (descendants of Ferdinand Porsche) are a meddlesome lot and I'm also suspicious of the part played by Germany as a blocking shareholder. VW tout this unique decision making arrangement as the reason for the stability of the company, but it must also be responsible for some of their more weird choices that constantly bewilder most of us mere mortals!

    But in the end, it undoubtedly comes down to return on monies invested - and if history tells us anything, it is that the good Burghers at the helm of the company are ruthless where profits are concerned!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe View Post
    Right, and as I understand it, Australia says, "good enough for Europe half a decade ago, good enough for us".

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Australia just adopt the Euro 5 emissions standards, which have been mandatory in Europe since 2009?

    I don't know what Australia does for safety standards, but my guess is, they take a similar approach: "If it's good enough for Europe, Japan, or the US, it's good enough for us?"

    Whereas in the US, we have our very own set of both emissions and safety standards, and it costs many millions to certify that a car model (and each drivetrain in that model!) meets those standards.
    Uwe: If I may be allowed a correction - your characterization of Australia's approach to safety might be a tad too harsh!

    Perhaps a better way to articulate Australia's philosophy on the adoption of safety standards is "we won't be the first, but we won't be the last"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jef View Post
    I wish VWoA wanted more than >4% of the US market share.... to stop treating the US market like a red headed step child... on a rented mule.
    Is it that VW doesn't want it, or America doesn't want it?

    As long as gas stays dirt cheap in the USA, I don't think anybody will be willing to give up their 15mpg F150's and Silverados.
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