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    Audi A4 (8K) cruise control retrofit problem

    Hi,

    We purchased a cruise control unit from the local Audi dealer for a 2009 Audi A4 2.0 TDI.

    Now, the engine accepts coding, but steering wheel controller does not ("coding rejected Error 31: request out of range").

    Could it be that the steering wheel controller hardware (8K0 953 568 D) does not support cruise control? The car does not have a multi-function steering wheel.

    Here's the auto scan:

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    Friday,16,June,2017,11:11:35:57012
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
    VCDS Version: 17.1.3.0 (x64)
    Data version: 20170320 DS267.7
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    VIN: WAUZZZ8K39A235164   License Plate: xxxx-xxx
    Mileage: 135490km-84189mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
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    Chassis Type: 8K (8T0)
    Scan: 01 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 42 46 52 53 56 62 69 72
    
    VIN: WAUZZZ8K39A235164   Mileage: 135490km-84189miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: Sporadic communication error 1000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    69-Trailer -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
     
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    Address 01: Engine (J623-CAGC)       Labels: 03L-906-022-CAG.clb
       Part No SW: 03L 906 022 MG    HW: 03L 906 022 B
       Component: R4 2.0l TDI   H01 9978  
       Revision: 11H01---    
       Coding: 0104002C18072920
       Shop #: WSC 21788 002 104857
       ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI03L906022MG A01009
       ROD: EV_ECM20TDI03L906022.rod
       VCID: 76DA745DC91989F1C3-8022
    
    4 Faults Found:
    4332 - Check Coding of ECUs on Powertrain Data Bus 
              P1647 00 [167] - -
              MIL ON - Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Mileage: 135496 km
                        Date: 2017.06.16
                        Time: 09:56:44
    
                        Engine speed: 0.00 /min
                        Normed load value: 0.0 %
                        Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                        Coolant temperature: 18 C
                        Intake air temperature: 19 C
                        Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
                        Voltage terminal 30: 11.740 V
                        Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                        Crankshaft speed (RPM): 0.0 /min
                        Vehicle speed: 0.00 km/h
                        ACCI a Des: 0.000 m/s
                        Acceleration: 0.000 m/s
                        ACCI st State-Bit 0: 00000000 
                        Cruise Control System (CCS): status-Bit 0: 00000100 
                        ACCI st Brk Err mp-Bit 0: 00000000 
    
    4984 - Cylinder 1 Glow Plug Circuit (Q10) 
              P0671 00 [101] - Electrical Fault
              Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Mileage: 135496 km
                        Date: 2017.06.16
                        Time: 10:07:50
    
                        Engine speed: 849.00 /min
                        Normed load value: 38.4 %
                        Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                        Coolant temperature: 18 C
                        Intake air temperature: 19 C
                        Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
                        Voltage terminal 30: 11.980 V
                        Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                        Crankshaft speed (RPM): 849.0 /min
                        Vehicle speed: 0.00 km/h
                        Vehicle voltage terminal 30: 11960 mV
                        Coolant temperature: 18.5 C
                        Glow status-Bit 0: 00000000 
                        Glow status-Bit 8: 00000000 
                        Preheat time: 0 ms
                        Fuel temperature: 17.5 C
    
    4985 - Cylinder 2 Glow Plug Circuit (Q11) 
              P0672 00 [101] - Electrical Fault
              Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Mileage: 135496 km
                        Date: 2017.06.16
                        Time: 10:07:50
    
                        Engine speed: 849.00 /min
                        Normed load value: 38.4 %
                        Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                        Coolant temperature: 18 C
                        Intake air temperature: 19 C
                        Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
                        Voltage terminal 30: 11.980 V
                        Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                        Crankshaft speed (RPM): 849.0 /min
                        Vehicle speed: 0.00 km/h
                        Vehicle voltage terminal 30: 11960 mV
                        Coolant temperature: 18.5 C
                        Glow status-Bit 0: 00000000 
                        Glow status-Bit 8: 00000000 
                        Preheat time: 0 ms
                        Fuel temperature: 17.5 C
    
    4987 - Cylinder 4 Glow Plug Circuit (Q13) 
              P0674 00 [101] - Electrical Fault
              Not Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Mileage: 135496 km
                        Date: 2017.06.16
                        Time: 10:07:50
    
                        Engine speed: 849.00 /min
                        Normed load value: 38.4 %
                        Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                        Coolant temperature: 18 C
                        Intake air temperature: 19 C
                        Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar
                        Voltage terminal 30: 11.980 V
                        Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                        Crankshaft speed (RPM): 849.0 /min
                        Vehicle speed: 0.00 km/h
                        Vehicle voltage terminal 30: 11960 mV
                        Coolant temperature: 18.5 C
                        Glow status-Bit 0: 00000000 
                        Glow status-Bit 8: 00000000 
                        Preheat time: 0 ms
                        Fuel temperature: 17.5 C
    
    Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 
    
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    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 8K0-907-379-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 AE    HW: 8K0 907 379 AE
       Component: ESP8 front    H04 0240  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
       Coding: 168500
       Shop #: WSC 61000 205 76828
       VCID: 7CCE6675FF35D3A1B5-8028
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393)       Labels: 8K0-907-064-05.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 M    HW: 8K0 907 064 M
       Component: BCM2 1.1      H80 0145  
       Revision: 00002001    
       Coding: 030200
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 3A42A06DB5812D91E7-806E
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 959 754 D    HW: 8T0 959 754 D
       Component: FBSAUDIB8 IDG  H37 0060 
       Serial number: 0509000018560008    
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 D    HW: 8K0 905 852 D
       Component: J764 ELV MLB  H36 0042 
       Serial number: 0209000025204014    
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels: Redir Fail!
       Part No SW: 8T1 820 043 T    HW: 8T1 820 043 T
       Component: KLIMA 1 ZONE  H06 0150  
       Revision: A0000000    Serial number: 01240420091409
       Coding: 34000000
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 42B2D88DDD516551BF-8016
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00256 - A/C Pressure/Temperature Sensor (G395) 
                001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 7
                        Reset counter: 165
                        Mileage: 135460 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2017.06.15
                        Time: 15:08:57
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Temperature: 25.0C
                        Temperature: 83.0C
                        Load: 100.0 %
                        Absolute Pres.: 30.0 bar
                        RPM: 1960 /min
                        Speed: 96.0 km/h
                        Current: 0.410 A
                        Temperature: 38.0C
    
    
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    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 8K0-907-063.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 063     HW: 8K0 907 063 
       Component: BCM1 1.0      H26 0253  
       Revision: 01026001    Serial number: 00000000256083
       Coding: 6900C0B10034A7000001000000005F5F0014260800000101000000
       Shop #: WSC 61000 205 76828
       VCID: 6CEE56358F55432125-8038
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K1 955 119 A    HW: 8T1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: WWS 270409  H06 0070 
       Serial number: SWF09040275208      
       Coding: 00FD11
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 955 559     HW: 8K0 955 559   Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
       Component: RLS  H04 0003 
       Serial number: 10455414            
       Coding: 025028
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 Q    HW: 8K0 941 531 Q
       Component: E1 - LDS  H07 0090 
       Serial number: 00000000002004090697
    
    1 Fault Found:
    00979 - Lamp for Low Beam; Right (M31) 
                012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00101100
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 2
                        Reset counter: 137
                        Mileage: 134203 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2017.05.18
                        Time: 13:35:00
    
    
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    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 8K0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 655 G    HW: 8K0 959 655 G
       Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H37 0520  
       Serial number: 003EFD0260JT  
       Coding: 30343435363030303030554A304C384B3053
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010 003010
       ROD: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010_003_AU48.rod
       VCID: 41B0D781D0577E49A6-8014
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
       Serial number: 6334MSME48150C058
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 6344MSME440435699
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
       Serial number: 6352QSME47273C3AP
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
       Serial number: 6362QSME3A224614A
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
       Serial number: 63732SME3D224010O
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
       Serial number: 63832SME5B274700-
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 8K0-953-568.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 953 568 D    HW: 8K0 953 568 D
       Component: Lenks.Modul   H16 0014  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 90319IDK000GB 
       Coding: 000001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 3B4CA569BABB1499FC-806E
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 920 900 C    HW: 8K0 920 900 C
       Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H18 0224  
       Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 9DS33DR49     
       Coding: 0F00100002000008010000
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 2A62902D45219D1197-807E
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 8T0-907-468.clb
       Part No SW: 8T0 907 468 M    HW: 8T0 907 468 H
       Component: GW-BEM 5CAN   H06 0095  
       Revision: GB300043    Serial number: 4300G0941980B7
       Coding: 000303
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 4BACF5A9EA1BA4194C-801E
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 915 181 E    HW: 8K0 915 181 E
       Component: J367-BDM  H06 0160 
       Serial number: 19071CB1170309      
    
    2 Faults Found:
    03041 - Energy Management Active 
                000 -  - 
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 7
                        Fault Frequency: 16
                        Reset counter: 125
                        Mileage: 133384 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2017.05.02
                        Time: 09:05:00
    
    00466 - Control Module for Steering Column Electronics (J527) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100000
                        Fault Priority: 7
                        Fault Frequency: 16
                        Reset counter: 125
                        Mileage: 133384 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2017.05.02
                        Time: 09:05:00
    
    
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    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 8K0-959-793.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 793 E    HW: 8K0 959 793 E
       Component: TSG FA        H11 0250  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000008828868 
       Coding: 011002204000410001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 42B2D88DDD516551BF-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 46: Central Conv. (J393)       Labels: 8K0-907-064-46.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 M    HW: 8K0 907 064 M
       Component: BCM2 1.1      H80 0145  
       Revision: 00002001    Serial number: 0118131259    
       Coding: 0100062020390040012002
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 3A42A06DB5812D91E7-806E
    
    3 Faults Found:
    02615 - Fuel Tank Cap; Lock 
                009 - Open or Short to Ground
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 72
                        Mileage: 133384 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2017.05.02
                        Time: 09:25:26
    
    02616 - Fuel Tank Cap; Unlock 
                009 - Open or Short to Ground
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101001
                        Fault Priority: 2
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 72
                        Mileage: 133384 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2017.05.02
                        Time: 09:25:26
    
    00466 - Control Module for Steering Column Electronics (J527) 
                004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100100
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 165
                        Mileage: 135496 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2017.06.16
                        Time: 08:34:49
    
    
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    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 8K0-959-792.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 959 792 E    HW: 8K0 959 792 E
       Component: TSG BF        H11 0250  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000008809776 
       Coding: 011002204000410001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 41B0D781D8577E49A6-8014
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 53: Parking Brake (J540)       Labels: 8K0-907-801-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 G    HW: 8K0 907 801 G
       Component: EPB Audi B8   H08 0080  
       Revision: 00000003    Serial number: 00000000357763
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 335C8D4992EBDCD924-8066
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels: 8Tx-035-1xx-56.clb
       Part No SW: 8T1 035 186 P    HW: 8T1 035 186 P
       Component: Concert3      H02 0310  
       Revision: 00000005    Serial number: AUZ5Z6I1205234
       Coding: 05000480040201000119070000
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 44BEDE95C7456B618D-8010
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 603 E    HW: 8T0 919 603 E
       Component: Display  
    
    1 Fault Found:
    03138 - Input AUX IN 
                011 - Open Circuit
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101011
                        Fault Priority: 5
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 72
                        Mileage: 133384 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2017.05.02
                        Time: 09:13:04
    
    
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    Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels: 4F0-959-795.clb
       Part No SW: 4F0 959 795 N    HW: 8K0 959 795 C
       Component: TSG HL        H10 0251  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000101011410 
       Coding: 010002204000210001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 44BEDE95C7456B618D-8010
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels: 8K0-907-383.clb
       Part No SW: 8K0 907 383 B    HW: 8K0 907 383 B
       Component: Anhaenger     H08 0080  
       Revision: 1A002002    Serial number: 00000119179749
       Coding: 0100000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 335C8D4992EBDCD924-8066
    
    1 Fault Found:
    02565 - Trailer; Right Turn Signals (M63) 
                010 - Open or Short to Plus - MIL ON
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 11101010
                        Fault Priority: 3
                        Fault Frequency: 3
                        Reset counter: 106
                        Mileage: 134605 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2017.06.03
                        Time: 09:06:00
    
    
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    Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels: 4F0-959-795.clb
       Part No SW: 4F0 959 795 N    HW: 8K0 959 795 C
       Component: TSG HR        H10 0251  
       Revision:             Serial number: 0000101011417 
       Coding: 010002204000210001
       Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
       VCID: 44BEDE95C7456B618D-8010
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:06)--------------------------

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pekka Perkeles View Post
    Hi,

    We purchased a cruise control unit ...
    CC unit number: 8K0-953-502-BG-4PK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pekka Perkeles View Post
    Could it be that the steering wheel controller hardware (8K0 953 568 D) does not support cruise control? The car does not have a multi-function steering wheel.
    Certainly on the previous 8E/8H platform cruise control wouldn't work with an SCSM that didn't support an MFSW - I had to replace the SCSM to get cruise working on a 2005 8E B6 S4 I used to own.

    Hopefully someone will be able confirm if this is also true on the 8K platform...

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    8K0 953 568 D doesnt support cruise control you need one of the following

    KOSTAL:
    8K0 953 568 B: CCS, MFSW, Board Computer (only for audi A5, to 2009?* different airbag connector?*, also without index to index C, does not fit A4 8K!)
    8K0 953 568 GB: no CCS, Board Computer, no MFSW
    8K0 953 568 E: CCS, Board Computer, no MFSW
    8K0 953 568 F: CCS, MFSW, Board Computer, no ACC!
    8K0 953 568 G: CCS, ACC, MFSW, Board Computer, ...
    FL:
    8K0 953 568 J: no CCS, Board Computer, no MFSW
    8K0 953 568 K: CCS, Board Computer, no MFSW
    8K0 953 568 L: CCS, MFSW, Board Computer, no ACC!
    8K0 953 568 M: CCS, Board Computer, MFSW, ACC
    *
    VALEO (from 1/2011):
    *
    8R0 953 568 H: no CCS, Board Computer, no MFSW
    8R0 953 568 J: CCS, Board Computer, no MFSW!
    8R0 953 568 K: MFSW?, CCS, Board Computer, no ACC
    8R0 953.568 M: CCS, Board Computer, MFSW, ACC
    FL:
    8R0 953 568 N: no CCS, Board Computer, no MFSW
    8R0 953 568 P: CCS, Board Computer, no MFSW
    8R0 953 568 Q: CCS, MFSW, Board Computer, no ACC!
    8R0 953 568 R: CCS, MFSW, ACC, Side Assist, Board Computer
    8R0 953 568 S: CCS,Board Computer, MFSW, ACC
    Steering column lever and steering column stalks must be from the same manufacturer!
    8R0 ... = VALEO
    8K0 ... = KOSTAL
    4G0 ... = VALEO
    4G8 ... = KOSTAL


    also coding
    01 (engine control unit)
    byte 6 bit 0 Activate
    *
    16 (steering column control unit)
    byte 2 bit 2 activate


    i'll ask Dana to make a table from this data
    Last edited by m87a; 06-16-2017 at 06:19 PM. Reason: sorted

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    Quote Originally Posted by m87a View Post
    8K0 953 568 D doesnt support cruise control you need one of the following:

    8K0 953 568 E: CCS, Board Computer, no MFSW
    I've now purchased that one.

    Quote Originally Posted by m87a View Post
    also coding
    01 (engine control unit)
    byte 6 bit 0 Activate
    *
    16 (steering column control unit)
    byte 2 bit 2 activate

    i'll ask Dana to make a table from this data
    Thank you.

    I will install new hardware next week and try coding again. Do I need an updated VCDS/definitions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by m87a View Post

    i'll ask Dana to make a table from this data
    Thanks! I was off the week you posted and just noticed this thread. Our B8 CCS Wiki page is limited at this time:

    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...rofitting_(8T)

    .. but I should be able to create a page (like the Golf based modules) with a chart. Feel free to bump this back up or PM me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pekka Perkeles View Post
    I've now purchased that one.

    Do I need an updated VCDS/definitions?
    The current version of VCDS should work fine. I would change that #16 coding from 000001 -to- 000005 using the Long coding helper when the new module is installed.

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