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    You don't want this pump it's the loud HD one that annoys everyone.

    You want the Mr. Gasket one ( 12D )

    Additionally instead of using the supplied filter I'd install a right angle coupling, so it fits nicer.

    Sometimes I extract it from its housing too.

    If you decide you do want this HD pump we have them for $75 USD.......but remember it's loud!
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    hi jack thanks for that, the reviews aren't so great jack on 12d, also whats the part# on the hd. are the reviewers just imbeciles?

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    Well the 12D lasts about 3 years on average.
    No part number on the hd one cause we ordered them custom with short metal connections when we ordered a gross of them ten years ago.

    When either pump type fails it continues to free flow and that feature is important.
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    that was my next ? that it flows. good to know.

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    Code:
    Saturday,17,June,2017,10:44:29:01722
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
    VCDS Version: 17.1.3.0 (x64)
    Data version: 20170320 DS267.7
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
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    Chassis Type: 9C - VW New Beetle (1999 > 2010)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 17 19 25 29 35 37 39 46 54 56 65 75
     
       Mileage: 199340km-123864miles
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 038-906-012-AGR.lbl
       Part No: 038 906 012 CR
       Component: 1,9l R4 EDC G400AG  2841  
       Coding: 00001
       Shop #: WSC 00066  
       VCID: 62C0B0B8EE490B519F-4ACE
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 01M-927-733.lbl
       Part No: 01M 927 733 KA
       Component: AG4 Getriebe 01M    4836  
       Coding: 00011
       Shop #: WSC 00000  
       VCID: 79F2F7D463DFE889AE-095A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ABS.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 907 379 J
       Component: ABS FRONT MK60      0103  
       Coding: 0004097
       Shop #: WSC 23328 328 00076
       VCID: 31620FF4AB2FE0C956-5102
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
       Part No: 6Q0 909 605 A
       Component: 25 AIRBAG VW5  0E   0006  
       Coding: 12853
       Shop #: WSC 00066  
       VCID: 356A3BE40F47CCE90A-4AE6
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1C0-920-xx0.lbl
       Part No: 1C0 920 901 
       Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 V07  
       Coding: 03202
       Shop #: WSC 23345  
       VCID: 59B29754C31FC889CE-4AE6
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: Ident
       Component: Nr. Wegfahrs.:VWZ5Z0Y6072070  
       Ident.-Nr. Wegfahrs.:VWZ5Z0Y6072070
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
       Part No: 6N0 909 901 
       Component: Gateway K<->CAN    V072  
       Coding: 00007
       Shop #: WSC 00066  
       VCID: 70E4CAF030A5A9C119-4AE6
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1J0-959-799.lbl
       Part No: 1J0 959 799 AR
       Component: 7S Zentral-SG Komf. 0001  
       Coding: 00256
       Shop #: WSC 00066  
       VCID: 0E18B4084A51DF316B-4ACE
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1J2959802C
       Component: 7S Tőrsteuerger. FS0002r  
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1J2959801D
       Component: 7S Tőrsteuerger. BF0002r  
    
    5 Faults Found:
    00953 - Interior Light Time limit 
                25-10 - Unknown Switch Condition - Intermittent
    00928 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Front Driver Side (F220) 
                54-00 - Incorrectly Equipped
    00943 - Heated Exterior Mirror; Driver Side (Z4) 
                35-00 -  - 
    01358 - Internal Central Locking Switch; Driver Side (E150) 
                27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
    00944 - Heated Exterior Mirror; Passenger Side (Z5) 
                35-00 -  - 
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 03:48
    Okay, here is auto scan, nothing too see just the same mirror issues I have before.

    Retarded the timing to within spec but just above the red line and car now starts instantly, no smoke. My gut feel was car bucked just like an advanced gas car, so I retarded it for giggles. (don't beat me Jack) I have several JPEG with text I wanted to post as have questions why my 99 TDI Alh has such different numbers than the beetle, although one being auto and the other stick, may make difference. One question when in basic 004 numbers go from like 7BTC to 4 about every 9 seconds. Then when viewed in measuring blocks 004 they are @ .2ATD and specified 1.3 ATDC. How would I get these numbers of .2 and 1.3 to get closer. Would this have anything too do with adjusting the numbers in the settings which is strongly discouraged? If viewing the Jetta (standard) the specified might be like 2atdc and the actual would be almost the same, not so in the beetle.

    Struggle with timing Actual and specified is different on both cars but appear to be cam and crank and pump in time. My original question to Jack do some cars have their own personality where the spot on graph for an example does not fit well in another unit.

    Noted @ idle Beetle auto uses .4lth compared to Jetta stick uses .2 lth double the beetle just sitting @ idle. Noted in coding that both units have not been tampered with and number on coding is 32768 which I assume is factory as I never played with either. Assuming this is factory as I bought both cars used, and highly doubt they have been tampered with.

    Had sever JPG with text I would like to drop here but me and this site do not get along. I cannot paste them here which I would like too.

    Larrimore
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    Cars have different programing in auto verse stick in coding tables & are in fact different pumps, size of injector nozzles too.

    You may find these videos helpful when describing maps or tables.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6AAh_Vgf5A
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    Jack, again thanks a lot, makes some sense.

    That said what would be the advice for trying to get specified closer to Acutaul, in this case specified 1.3 ATD and actual @ .2ATD, or is Larimore picking fly poop out of the pepper?

    Have driving now for 2 days with the slightly retarded and starts stellar, works for me.

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    Jack, again thanks a lot, makes some sense.

    That said what would be the advice for trying to get specified closer to Acutaul, in this case specified 1.3 ATD and actual @ .2ATD, or is Larimore picking fly poop out of the pepper?

    Have driving now for 2 days with the slightly retarded and starts stellar, works for me.
    Hello Larrymore..........

    It would start with using the tables specified in the repair manual and not a table you keep referencing as a guide......shame shame!

    Show me data..........Please!

    Engine COLD!
    0x01-03- start commencement test then immediately log 0x01-08-000 20 seconds.

    0x01-04-000 COLD and logged at idle for 30 seconds.

    0x01-04-000 MID heat warm up transition point....log 30 seconds.

    0x01-04-000 HOT and logged at idle for 30 seconds.

    What is the data please post it?

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    Repsectfully, have never done the log thing, will look it over and capture it for you. Will have to read up a little on that for you. Was under the impression that the only testing was get the dynamic timing with in spec, and then ECM dictated what happened.

    When logging in for 20/30 seconds will this graph over time or what?? ,new ground for me.


    Wife is gone with it @ this time, will be a few days.

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    Jack, looked this up.............am I heading in the right direction???

    http://www.ross-tech.com/vcds/tour/logging.php

    1. Choose group or groups that you want to view.
    2. Click [Log]
    3. Use default file name if desired. It will append the old file if you use a particular name more than once.
    4. Click [Start]
    5. Drive the car through the tests that you want to perform
    6. Click [Stop]
    7. Click [Done, Close] when you're finished logging data.
    8. Open Microsoft Excel
    9. Click File->Open (change filetype to all *.*)
    10. Locate the *.csv file that you created, typically in C:\ross-tech\vcds\Logs\
    11. With mouse select the columns you want to graph.
    12. Click the Chart Wizard button.
    13. Select XY (Scatter) and click one of the formats that has lines.
    14. The chart wizard will prompt you to name axes if you want.
    15. Pick, for example, RPM values for the x-axis and IAT for the y-axis
    You can also use the [Graph] button to open up the VC-Scope plug-in for VCDS that allows you to replay LOG files. See the VC-Scope page.

    Warning!

    If you're going to use VCDS while you're driving, please use a second person!
    Let one drive while the other observes the data, making sure the person holding the PC is not in front of an active airbag! Obviously, do not break any laws, speeding or otherwise while using VCDS!

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