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    Anyone know what this is?



    The picture isn't clear, but it appears to be a drum-shaped thing on the right side of the pole, connected to a box on the left side of the pole by several color-coded coax or fiber cables. It just popped up in the past month, and is in a neighborhood where I personally manage most of the telecom services. It doesn't make sense for the CATV or Verizon FIOS to have neighborhood controllers there. Is it a 4G micro-cell? Part of the Shot-Spotter system that the city is installing? Ironically, my wife's power company contractor crew planted the pole back in December, and she also has no idea what this equipment is.....

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    if power company put it up, its possibly wireless meter reader

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    The city of Newburgh was the site of one of the first power generator stations in the world, personally supervised by Thomas Edison. I don't know if it works the same as in other small cities, but the power company is the owner/installer of all poles and everyone else pays them for attachments. (My employer rents about a dozen pole attachments for my aerial fiber to facilities across the streets from our main complex.)

    AFAIK, the power company has no capital projects for remote meter reading, and the majority of their meters are still analog spinning wheels. Long story short, I don't think that this equipment belongs to the power company -- if for no other reason than it is attached in the telecom "band" on the pole and not the power company's secondary line and primary distribution bands above.....

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    vreihen: what - you guys still use rotating wheel kwhr meters to measure power consumption? Outrageous in the 21st century!! It's about time America implemented time-of-use electrical tariffs and 5 minute pricing for wholesale purchases.

    The pole to the right of the new pole in your picture has an "X" painted on it -I'm not sure of the practices in your part of the word, but down here we do this for "condemned poles". So I'm guessing that the initial purpose for the new pole was as a replacement (I expect that the service wires on the new pole were transferred over and that the old pole will be removed some time shortly). Also, the presence of the "stay wire" on the left hand side of the new pole and the additional height of the new pole suggests that the power company has additional works in mind. The "stay wire" suggests that the pole will hold a larger cable heading to the right of the picture -up the street (it doesn't make sense to support the pole on the LHS purely to counter balance the weight of the service wire running across the street). So I suspect that your new neighborhood "phallic symbol" is a work-in-progress - still.

    It looks like the pole has a "cut-and-termination" from an underground cable (lower down). Does this part of Newburgh have voltage problems? Could the "can" be a capacitor to boost volts (perhaps)?

    Don

    PS: why are all the cars in the picture parked in the wrong direction?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DV52 View Post
    vreihen: what - you guys still use rotating wheel kwhr meters to measure power consumption? Outrageous in the 21st century!!
    Most properties in the UK also still use rotating wheel kWHr meters too!

    Why?

    Because the rollout of electron smart meters has suffered some major "howlers" - the most recent being when domestic consumers woke to find their smart meters showing they had used up to 20,000 of electricity overnight (instead of the expected and actual closer to 2).

    The manufacturers blamed a software issue - easy to fix you would have thought using an OTA update? But no, OTA either isn't in the software in the meter or in the central software either.

    As well as that most UK smart meters currently installed are designed to a pre-release version of the specification which mens when you change energy supplier you have to change the meter also. To make that even worse the manufacturers have said they doubt whether pre-release version meters can even be upgraded when sent "back to base".

    So smart meters have quickly gained a VERY bad reputation here, which will take a lot of work (and I suspect along time) to recover from.

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    What I want to know is, who is responsible for cutting the grass at Mount Saint Mary College?...lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by PetrolDave View Post
    ...which means when you change energy supplier
    Change energy supplier?...Wow...I can only imagine having the ability to do that. We only have one supplier.

    As for the device on the pole...I say it's a micro-cell...or mini-cell, and I'd say be prepared to start seeing a lot more of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rembrant View Post
    What I want to know is, who is responsible for cutting the grass at Mount Saint Mary College?...lol.
    It would be unfair to judge by that one picture, as their grounds are meticulously maintained from what I've seen. There is a baseball field uphill of that, and my guess is that it was intentionally done as either a no-spray insect control thing or as a "trap" to prevent errant baseballs from bouncing over the fence and damaging cars. Or, knowing that the intersection to the right is a major recreational pharmaceutical exchange point, perhaps the long grass is there as a community service so that the neighborhood merchants have a place to toss their products when the police pay one of their regular visits?

    Change energy supplier?...Wow...I can only imagine having the ability to do that. We only have one supplier.
    We play a shell game here, where the old power companies act as the distribution network for a bulk of the monthly charges, but you can pick who you want them to buy your power from on the regional grid. Makes hippies and tree-huggers feel good to only be buying "clean" power, but in reality they have no way of actually measuring exact uses per-provider for billing...and certainly no end-to-end per-electron accounting.

    As for the device on the pole...I say it's a micro-cell...or mini-cell, and I'd say be prepared to start seeing a lot more of them.
    Actually, you are more or less correct. I just found this:

    http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...-Thread/page18

    oDAS = Outdoor Distributed Antenna System. The neighborhood location does not make sense from an RF perspective, but perhaps they are trying to fill in a small gap/shadow in their coverage?????

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    Yes, Don, the X means the same thing up here. The fact that the power company "topped" the old pole and didn't move their transmission stuff onto the new one leads me to believe that they are not going to use it any more, and perhaps they put in the taller pole so that whichever cellular carrier is renting it can have the option of placing their antennas up higher?????

    FWIW, the guy wire to the right is anchoring a heavily-loaded pole on the other side of the street, and the guy wire on the left is anchoring that tension to the ground.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by vreihen View Post
    We play a shell game here, where the old power companies act as the distribution network for a bulk of the monthly charges, but you can pick who you want them to buy your power from on the regional grid. Makes hippies and tree-huggers feel good to only be buying "clean" power, but in reality they have no way of actually measuring exact uses per-provider for billing...and certainly no end-to-end per-electron accounting.
    Where I live, the grid is owned by one company...we have no other options of any kind if we want to buy electricity. Most of that electricity is still generated by burning coal, but there are some wind farms scattered around, and a handful of hydro plants. We have one nuclear plant out here on the east coast...and it runs...sometimes...maybe, when it isn't shutdown for various reasons.

    I learned something interesting recently...I was in upstate NY for some OEM VFD training...Finger Lakes area, and there was a guy in the class that is in the electric motor and control business. He was telling me that in some areas in northern NY, the commercial voltage is 575vac 3ph...which is Canadian...so to speak. Electricity crossing the border is nothing new of course...but it was the first I had ever heard of our 575-600vac power being used on the US side of the line. As far as I ever knew, "American Voltage" was 460vac.
    I figured they would have stepped that voltage down for continuity sake...but perhaps it didn't make sense based on geography, or whatever.
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