Incorrect labels

scaphan · Jun 7, 2017

I am running VCDS-Lite release 1.2 downloaded around 6 months ago.

I have an Audi A4 B5 1999 2.8 Quattro engine ACK.

I am looking at the engine measuring blocks 090-093 but the labels don't appear to be correct.

My controller is 4D0 907 551 R and my label file is 078-907-551-ACK.LBL

All seems good. However I think 091 should show speed (it does) load (it does) adjustment status (it shows load again) and adjustment bank 1 (it shows voltage?!)

The other blocks (090,092.093) are similarly wrong.

What should I change? Seems like the label file is wrong?

Thanks!

Russell

Sebastian · Jun 7, 2017

Hello Russel,

VCDS-Lite Label files haven't been updated in a very long time. If you were using a current version of the software, I'd ask you to run a control module map and have us take a closer look. That said, 078-907-551-ACK doesn't contain any MVB related information, which means the values that look "incorrect" to you are based on the values/units sent by the control module. A rewrite for that file is in the queue, in any case it won't be back-ported to VCDS-Lite.

scaphan · Jun 7, 2017

Thanks for the fast response.

I've noticed that other engine types do have the mvb values. Could I paste them in??

Thanks!

Russell

Sebastian · Jun 7, 2017

No, depending on where you copy paste from it might give you some closure though from experience, there is a reason why we don't do that. You can always grab a factory repair manual and write your own MVB details in the label file(s).

scaphan · Jun 7, 2017

Thanks. I know what they should be called, but the problem is the unit of measure is wrong. How do I change this so that it gives me the correct output? E.g. Position 4 of block 091 should be degrees KW but it shows voltage. How do I make it show degrees? At present it shows 1.105v. How should I read this?

Uwe · Jun 7, 2017

Units are determined by the control module itself, not by the label file. A label file only adds descriptions of the data.

-Uwe-

scaphan · Jun 7, 2017

Understood. So why would my units be wrong from the control module? See my weird data below:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/b7ts02d5um9uy29/Screen Shot 2017-06-06 at 20.43.47 copy.png?dl=0

There is a file for the AHA engine which is similar to mine. Shall I just rename the file to ACK and try that? Although it sounds like that doesn't solve my unit of measure problem.

How can I decode the data these measuring blocks is giving me?? Is 1.105v = 1.105 degrees KW? In which case I need a timing belt change quickly as this would be out of alignment!

Thanks for the fast responses so far!!

Russell

Sebastian · Jun 7, 2017

The blocks you are referring to are not documented in the factory repair manual for this specific engine code / control module, so wherever you are looking for references - your references are wrong! It is quite possible that your ECM sends raw sensor data (in Volts) instead of a computed °KW/°CF here, yet without having a true documentation it is pure guessing as to what that value may or may not refer to.

scaphan · Jun 7, 2017

Okay so if I want to measure the data that I believe to be in measuring blocks 90-93 (data on the position of the timing belt and how far off the cams are) then which blocks would you recommend for the ACK engine? Or is there a resource I should consult? (Bentley suggests blocks 90-93). Russell

scaphan · Jun 8, 2017

Sorry after more research I have discovered that Bentley (being US) don't cover the ACK engine!!

Therefore I need some resource that will help me label each measuring block so I know what I am looking for. Can you suggest where to look to find which measuring block to observe for cam alignment etc? I assume it isn't blocks 090-093. I have the Haynes manual but that doesn't mention VAG-COM.

Any help is appreciated. I want to use VCDS to help me get the timing belt right.

Thanks in advance.

Russell

Uwe · Jun 8, 2017

Why do you think you need a scan tool to get the timing belt right? :confused:

-Uwe-

scaphan · Jun 8, 2017

Because I want to check all the values before I start to ensure they are the same when I've finished. I have seen that block 093 shows how far out the cams are and I want to get them exactly right after I've replaced the belt. I have all the locking tools etc but I want to get it as perfect as possible and thought VCDS could help achieve that.

Should I not bother? Also I'm sure that in future I will need to observe other measuring blocks and it seems my engine is mapped differently from the others so it renders VCDS no help except diagnosing DTCs.

I hope that's clear! Appreciate your help!

Russell

Uwe · Jun 8, 2017

Disclaimer: I'm not a professional mechanic, just a guy who decided to make a scan tool affordable enough that people could work on these cars themselves. But here's my two cents:

A timing belt on an engine like that isn't an "analog" or "stepless" thing. You either have it positioned right, or you're off one or more teeth on one of the sprockets. If you're off one or more teeth, my experience is that it will run like crap (if at all).

A scan tool is used on VE TDI engines to set the pump timing, which is indeed stepless.

The blocks you're looking for in the 09x range are used to check the timing of the cams on engines that have variable valve timing by means hydraulic of actuators in the head. They are not used to check the that the timing belt is set up correctly.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about any of this.

-Uwe-

scaphan · Jun 8, 2017

And the community loves you for it! A great tool that unlocks the potential of what's possible for the diyer.

Thank you for the clarification. I was alerted to using the scan tool on the forum thread below:

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/513474-Block-93-cam-phase-position-question

I guess they are talking about the diesel version.

Thanks for the advice anyway.

Russell

scaphan · Jan 5, 2018

Answered my own question by creating a label file in VCDS.

If you have an ACK engine and use VCDS then find the label folder and file 078-907-551-ACK.lbl. Then replace the text in the file with this:

Code:

;
; VCDS Label File
;
; Audi A4 (8D) / Audi A6 (4B)
;
; Component: Engine (#01) - ACK/ALG/APR
;
; P/N: 4D0-907-551-???
;
; includes coding and adaptation
;
; This file is part of a redirection package,
; make sure you have all of the following files.
;
; 4D-01.LBL
; 078-907-551-ACK.LBL  (2.8l E   @ 193 HP - ACK/ALG/APR)
;
; created on 26/Mar/2008 by Sebastian Stange (Sebastian@Ross-Tech.com)
;amended on 1/Dec/2017 by Russell Hammond(russell.hammond@virgin.net
;
; last modification: 1/Dec/2017
;
; requires VCDS 803.0 or newer
;
;
;---------------------------------------------------
;
; measuring blocks & basic setting
;
;---------------------------------------------------
;
;
000,0,General
000,1,Coolant Temp G62,,Specification: 177...203 (85.0...105.0 °C)
000,2,Engine Load,,Specification: 21...34 (15.0...26.0 %)
000,3,Engine Speed G28,,Specification: 67...73 (650...750 RPM)
000,4,Throttle Valve,Angle,1...7 (0.40...2.75 %)
000,5,idling spd ctrl,,Specification: 126...135 (-1.5...+1.5 %)
000,6,Learned value,air mas idling spd,Specification: 124...140 (-3.0...+5.0 %)
000,7,Mixture Ad cntrl,Bank 1 Value,Specification: 122...136 (-4.0...+4.0 %)
000,8,Mixture Ad cntrl,Bank 2 Value,Specification: 122...136 (-4.0...+4.0 %)
000,9,Mixture Ad learnt,Bank 1 Value,Specification: 108...148 (-4.0...+4.0 %)
000,10,Mixture Ad learnt,Bank 2 Value,Specification: 108...148 (-4.0...+4.0 %)
;
001,0,Basic function ign timing
001,1,Idle Speed,620-740A/+120F
001,2,Engine load,, (injection period per crankshaft revolution)
001,3,Thrttle valve ang,0...5 <°
001,4,Ignition timing,9...15 °
;
002,0,Basic function MAF reading
002,1,Engine Speed,(G28),Range: 0...6800 RPM\nSpecification (Idle): 620...860 RPM
002,2,Engine load,1.0...2.5, (injection period per crankshaft revolution)
002,3,Injection period ,1.0...4.0, (per engine cycle)
002,4,Intake air mass,3.0...5.0
;
;003 usually 004
;
003,0,Basic function temps
003,1,Engine speed
003,2,Battery voltage,10..14.5
003,3,Coolant temp, 80..105
003,4,Intake air temp
;
;004 usually 003 or 005
;
004,0,Idling speed state
004,1,Thrttle valve ang,0....5 
004,2,Idling air mass,-0.7...+0.7, learned (automatics: not in drive position)
004,3,Idling air mass,-0.7...+0.7, learned (automatics: drive engaged)
004,4,Operating state,, Idling Part throttle Full throttle Overrun Enrichment
;
005,0,Idling speed stabilisation 
005,1,Engine speed act
005,2,Engine speed spec
005,3,idle speed cntrl,-10...+10,Control value for idling speed stabilisation
005,4,Air mass,3.0...5.0
;
; 006 usually 001
;
006,0,short term fuel trim,Low values=too rich High values=too lean
006,1,Idling speed
006,2,idle speed cntrl,-10...+10,Control value for idling speed stabilisation
006,3,Bank 1,-10...+10,Lambda control 
006,4,Bank 2,-10...+10,Lambda control 
;
;007 usually 032
;
007,0,learnt fuel trim,Low values=too rich High values=too lean
007,1,Bank 1 part,-10...+10, part throttle multiplicative
007,2,Bank 2 part,-10...+10, part throttle multiplicative
007,3,Bank 1 idle,-10...+10, idle additive
007,4,Bank 2 idle,-10...+10, idle additive
;
008,0,Lambda/o2 learned values with speed
008,1,Idling speed
008,2,Inj period,1.00...3.00, per engine cycle
008,3,Bank 1 idle,-10...+10, idle additive
008,4,Bank 2 idle,-10...+10, idle additive
;
;009 usually 033
;
009,0,Lambda/02 voltage
009,1,Bank 1,0.00...1.00,rich = 0.7...1.1.lean=0.0...0.3 V.
009,2,Bank 2,0.00...1.00,rich = 0.7...1.1.lean=0.0...0.3 V.
009,3,charc filtr valve,0...99 %,0% closed 99% open
009,4,correction,0.6...1.1,0.6-1 too too rich 1.01 and 1.10 too lean
;
;010 usually 070
;
010,0,Fuel tank breather
010,1,charc filtr valve,0...99 %,0% closed 99% open
010,2,filter correction,0.6...1.1,0.6-1 too too rich 1.01 and 1.10 too lean
010,3,Filter fill level,-5...+95,-5 no vapours +95 completely full
010,4,intake rate,0.00...1.50,proportion of intake coming from filter
;
;
011,0,Fuel consumption 
011,1,Engine speed
011,2,Engine load,1.0...2.5, (injection period per crankshaft revolution)
011,3,Road speed,km/h
011,4,Fuel consumption,0.8...1.8 ltr./h
;
;012 usually 022
;
012,0,Knock control with speed
012,1,Engine speed
012,2,ign timing retard, cylinder 1,0...12°
012,3,ign timing retard, cylinder 2,0...12°
012,4,ign timing retard, cylinder 3,0...12°
;
013,0,Knock control with load (must be +40%)
013,1,Engine load, 0...10 ms
013,2,ign timing retard, cylinder 1,0...12°
013,3,ign timing retard, cylinder 2,0...12°
013,4,ign timing retard, cylinder 3,0...12°
;
;014 usually 023 and 024
;
014,0,Knock control with speed
014,1,Engine speed
014,2,ign timing retard, cylinder 4,0...12°
014,3,ign timing retard, cylinder 5,0...12°
014,4,ign timing retard, cylinder 6,0...12°
;
015,0,Knock control with load (must be +40%)
015,1,Engine load, 0...10 ms
015,2,ign timing retard, cylinder 4,0...12°
015,3,ign timing retard, cylinder 5,0...12°
015,4,ign timing retard, cylinder 6,0...12°
;
016,0,speed load timing,retard the ignition timing as soon as pinking also mixture is enriched
016,1,Engine speed
016,2,Engine load,0...10 ms
016,3,Ignition timing, -20...+40°
016,4,Total ign retard,0.0...72.0°
;
017,0,knock sensor,more than 50 % between smallest and largest signals could be corrosion on connector.
017,1,Engine speed
017,2,volts cylinder 1,0.50...1.40
017,3,volts cylinder 2,0.50...1.40
017,4,volts cylinder 3,0.50...1.40
;
018,0,knock sensor,more than 50 % between smallest and largest signals could be corrosion on connector.
018,1,Engine speed
018,2,volts cylinder 4,0.50...1.40
018,3,volts cylinder 5,0.50...1.40
018,4,volts cylinder 6,0.50...1.40
;
019,0,Torque reduction
019,1,Engine speed
019,2,Engine load,0.0...10.0
019,3,Required,0...410, torque required to shift gear
019,4,Actual,-100...300, actual torque
;
;020 usually 050
;
020,0,Operating conditions
020,1,Engine speed
020,2,Gear selector pos, Neutral or Gear
020,3,air con idle spd,incr func status,speed is increased when batt v is low.
020,4,Aircon compressor,, Compr.ON or Compr.OFF
;
021,0,Operating conditions for lambda control
021,1,Engine speed
021,2,Engine load,0.0...10.0, injection period per crankshaft revolution
021,3,Coolant temp, min 55
021,4,Lambda control, OFF/ON,If Lambda control off engine controlled by engine map.
;
022,ignore
;
023,0,Throttle valve positioner adaption 
023,1,learning status,01000000
023,2,Min. stop,72...95 %,of throttle valve positioner
023,3,Emergency stop,60...92 %,of throttle valve positioner
023,4,Max. stop,34...70 %, of throttle valve positioner
;
024,0,Traction control,,When loss of traction is recognised how the engine torque is reduced to prevent wheel spin can be assessed in this display group
024,1,Engine speed
024,2,rdction stages,0 ... 12
024,3,ABS Reqd torque,-100...410
024,4,Actual torque,-100...300
;
025,0,system status,The display shows which systems are being activated by the engine control unit
025,1,Engine speed
025,2,Engine load,0.0...10.0
025,3,System status,123,1 Energy statement for heating-up Cat 2 Intake manifold change-over 3 Camshaft adjustment
025,4,(Unallocated)
;
;026 usually 090
;
026,0,Camshaft timing,To bring the camshaft into the adjusted position accelerate the vehicle in 1st gear from rest
026,1,Engine speed
026,2,Engine load,0.0...10.0
026,3,cam timing, cntrl bank 1,-3.0 ... 6.0 idle 16.0 ... 25.0 adjusted
026,4,cam timing, cntrl bank 2,-3.0 ... 6.0 idle 16.0 ... 25.0 adjusted
;
027,0,Camshaft timing system
027,1,system status,123,1 Energy statement for heating-up Cat 2 Intake manifold change-over 3 Camshaft adjustment
027,2,(unallocated)
027,3,cam timing, cntrl bank 1,-3.0 ... 6.0 idle 16.0 ... 25.0 adjusted
027,4,cam timing, cntrl bank 2,-3.0 ... 6.0 idle 16.0 ... 25.0 adjusted
;
028,0,ignore until 095
;
095,0,Basic Function load timing and coolant
095,1,Engine speed
095,2,Engine load,0.0...10.0
095,3,Ignition timing,12.0°
095,4,Coolant temp,-40...125
;
096,0, ignore
;
097,0, ignore
;
;098 similar to 003
;
098,0,Throttle valve potentiometer
098,1,voltage,0...5
098,2,idling pos volts,0...5
098,3,state, idling / part load
098,4,Adaption status,in prog OK or ERR,adaption of throttle valve control part
;
099,0,Lambda control , the lambda mixture control is de-activated when in "Basic setting" mode and activated when selected in "Read measured value block" mode
099,1,Engine speed
099,2,Coolant temp
099,3,Lambda mixture control,-10...+10
099,4,Basic setting, ON/OFF,press keys 4 & 8 to switch between "Basic setting" and "Read measured value block".
;
;
;---------------------------------------------------
;
; coding
;
;---------------------------------------------------
;
;
C00,Engine (J220) Coding
C01,??xxx: Emissions
C02,02 = MVEG I (non-EU Members)
C03,04 = MVEG II (EU Members)
C04,05 = MVEG III (with Sec. Air Injection)
C05,08 = China and Russia/GUS
C06,xx?xx: Powertrain
C07,0 = Front-Wheel-Drive without ASR
C08,1 = Front-Wheel-Drive with ASR
C09,2 = All-Wheel-Drive without ASR
C10,3 = All-Wheel-Drive with ASR
C11,xxx?x: Transmission
C12,0 = 5-Speed Manual Transmission
C13,5 = 5-Speed Automatic Transmission (01V)
C14,xxxx?: Model
C15,1 = Audi A4 (8D)
C16,2 = Audi A6 (4B)
C17,3 = Audi A8 (4D)
;
;
;---------------------------------------------------
;
; adaptation
;
;---------------------------------------------------
;
;
A001,0,Idle Speed
A001,1,Engine Speed,(actual)
A001,2,Engine Speed,(specified)
A001,3,A/C Readiness,,Range: A/C-Low / A/C-High
A001,4,A/C Compressor,,Range: Compr.OFF/Compr.ON
; 
A091,0,Immobilizer Status
A091,5,Immobilizer Status (Read Only)
A091,6,0 = Immobilizer not matched (NEW)
A091,7,1 = Immobilizer disabled
A091,8,4 = Immobilizer matched (System OK)
;

Uwe · Jan 5, 2018

scaphan said:
Answered my own question by creating a label file in VCDS.

If you have an ACK engine and use VCDS then find the label folder and file 078-907-551-ACK.lbl. Then replace the text in the file with this

May we include your changes in the label file set distributed with VCDS?

-Uwe-

scaphan · Jan 6, 2018

Yes sure. Happy to help.

Incorrect labels

scaphan

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Sebastian

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