Audi repair times?

DGMotors · May 26, 2017

Hi

Has anyone got access to the Audi repair times? Ive tried looking on Elsapro (Erwin) but they dont seem to list book times for independent workshops.

Audi S6 - WAUZZZ4F7AN055580

Need the book time for chaging the knock sensor? Elsapro list removing the bumper, radiator and intake manifold to change the sensor.
Autodata gives me 4.7 for intake manifold and I allowed 5 hours,
The warranty company are saing Audi book time for the knock sensor is 2.8 Hours <- which I think they are wrong

Cheers Toby

Jack@European_Parts · May 26, 2017

Auto-scan please .........the VIN is insufficient in the spirit of the data that will be archived for the collective.

Take take take no give ........

Puff puff give ..........

DGMotors · May 26, 2017

Here the autoscan:

Code:

Monday,08,May,2017,13:32:11:06091
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 17.1.3.0 (x64)  HEX-NET CB: 0.4336.4
Data version: 20170320 DS267.7
www.Ross-Tech.com

Dealer/Shop Name: DG Motor Services

VIN: WAUZZZ4F7AN055580   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 4F (4F0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 0E 11 31 15 16 17 19 3D 42 46 4F 52 53 55
          56 5F 62 72 76

VIN: WAUZZZ4F7AN055580   Mileage: 89410km-55556miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
0E-Media Player 1 -- Status: OK 0000
11-Engine II -- Status: Malfunction 0010
31-Engine other -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
3D-Special Function -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (BXA)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 4F1 910 552 S    HW: 4F1 907 552 
   Component: 5.2L V10/4V FSI    ª0050  
   Revision: 59H15---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 01050003190F0160
   Shop #: WSC 00191 264 15243
   VCID: B4244AD1D72C24E1BD-80E0

1 Fault Found:
006435 - Please Check DTC Memory of ECU Number 2 
               P1923 - 008 - 
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01101000
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 89415 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2017.05.08
                    Time: 13:25:38

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 94.0°C
                    Temperature: 48.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 1020.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 11.811 V

Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09E-927-156.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F9 910 156 C    HW: 09E 927 156 C
   Component: AG6 09E 5,2 FSI RdW 0010  
   Revision: --H04---    Serial number:        0135300
   Coding: 0000001
   Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200
   VCID: AC1452B10F1C7C21E5-80F8

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 4F0-910-517.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 517 AL    HW: 4F0 614 517 BA
   Component: ESP8 quattro    H03 0060  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0020920
   Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200
   VCID: EE9098B9F9804E318B-80BA

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.        Labels: 4F0-910-852.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 852 B    HW: 4F0 905 852 D
   Component: FBSAUDIC6 ELV   H05 0100  
   Revision: 00H05000    Serial number: 10602601489748
   Coding: 0000083
   Shop #: WSC 02324 785 00200
   VCID: A502A7956CF64D693A-80F0

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F0 910 132 E
   Component: FBSAUDIC6 EZS   H03 0020

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4F0 910 220 D
   Component: FBSAUDIC6 IDG   H01 0054

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 4F0-910-043.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 043 B    HW: 4F2 820 043 AA
   Component: KLIMABETAETIGUNGH30 0080  
   Revision: 00000075    Serial number: 00000000670252
   Coding: 0525322
   Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200
   VCID: 9D728F7544A685A962-80C8

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 4F0-910-279.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 279 N    HW: 4F0 907 279 
   Component: ILM Fahrer      H22 0320  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 4F0907279     
   Coding: 0035121
   Shop #: WSC 02335 785 00200
   VCID: B4244AD1D72C24E1BD-80E0

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F2 910 113 C  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer AudiC6  H10 0040  
   Coding: 00056595
   Shop #: WSC 02335  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8K0 910 557   Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
   Component: REGENLICHTSENSORH04 0003  
   Coding: 00146221
   Shop #: WSC 02335  

No fault code found.

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Address 0E: Media Player 1 (R41)       Labels: 4E0-910-111.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 035 110 A    HW: 4F0 035 110 
   Component: CDC-MP3-Alp   H44 0140  
   Revision: AA001001    
   VCID: 956297557C96DDE9AA-80C0

No fault code found.

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Address 11: Engine II        Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 4F1 910 552 S    HW: 4F1 907 552 
   Component: 5.2L V10/4V FSI    ª0050  
   Revision: 59H15---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 01050003190F0160
   Shop #: WSC 00191 264 15243
   VCID: B4244AD1D72C24E1BD-80E0

1 Fault Found:
004899 - Knock Sensor 4 (G199) 
               P1323 - 002 - Signal too Small
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100010
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 15
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 89285 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2017.05.06
                    Time: 18:00:52

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 1812 /min
                    Load: 36.1 %
                    Speed: 22.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 92.0°C
                    Temperature: 37.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 1010.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 13.843 V


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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 4F0-910-655-10.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 655 Q    HW: 4F0 959 655 G
   Component: Airbag AU1042 H06 0160  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003F90025K2D
   Coding: 30314236303630303033554A305234463053
   Shop #: WSC 02324 785 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Airba10AURB4 001001
   ROD: EV_Airba10AURB4.rod
   VCID: B52277D514563DE98A-80E0

   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3574SRB40000A5D078CF

   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3584SRB40000A6C4A9BN

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3516HRB402F9O79F73KD

   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3526HRB402H9O79ERS0/

   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
   Serial number: 3554NRB40000537A0B1X

   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
   Serial number: 3564NRB4000053224D4U

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 4F0-910-549.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 549 A    HW: 4F0 953 549 D
   Component: J0527               0530  
   Revision: 00H05000    Serial number: 90025100070380
   Coding: 0102141
   Shop #: WSC 02324 785 00200
   VCID: A71EAD9D16FA5F7908-80F2

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: E0221           H02 0030

No Faults Found
  or DTCs not supported by controller
  or a communication error occurred

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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 4F0-920-xxx-17.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 920 985 G    HW: 4F0 920 985 G
   Component: KOMBIINSTR.   H08 0147  
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: DHR21K4D9     
   Coding: 2F560A0102002600010400
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: B2284CC9ED382AD1AF-80E6

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 4F0-907-468.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 907 468 M    HW: 4F0 907 468 F
   Component: GW-BEM 4CAN-M H06 0035  
   Revision: LB100029    Serial number: 2900L10111000D
   Coding: 000303
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: B93A7BE5304ED9896E-80EC

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 915 181 C    HW: 8K0 915 181 C
   Component: J367-BDM  H07 0125 
   Serial number: 00000000002790923978

No fault code found.

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Address 3D: Special Function        Labels: 8K0-907-440.clb
   Part No SW: 8K0 907 440     HW: 8K0 907 440 
   Component: STS             H04 0040  
   Revision: S0H04000    Serial number: 00000000011934
   Coding: 01010101000000000000000102
   Shop #: WSC 02324 785 00200
   VCID: EB9691ADCA92BB19AC-80BE

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 4F0-959-793.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 959 793 R    HW: 8K0 959 793 D
   Component: TSG FA        H11 0250  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000102631233 
   Coding: 011F06204061410001
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: C6C0001971B0A67113-8092

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 4F0-910-289.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 289 N    HW: 4F0 907 289 N
   Component: Komfortgeraet   H29 0250  
   Revision: 02500029    Serial number: 01258419000000
   Coding: 0664059
   Shop #: WSC 02335 785 00200
   VCID: B52277D5DC563DE98A-80E0

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H05 1501

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4F0 910 177 
   Component: Innenraumueberw.H01 0020

No fault code found.

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Address 4F: Centr. Electr. II        Labels: 4F0-910-280.lbl
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 280     HW: 4F0 907 280 A
   Component: ILM Beifahrer   H13 0100  
   Revision:             Serial number: 00000000680771
   Coding: 0011104
   Shop #: WSC 02324 785 00200
   VCID: DEF0C8790920DEB13B-808A

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 4F0-959-792.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 959 792 R    HW: 8K0 959 792 D
   Component: TSG BF        H11 0250  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000102696389 
   Coding: 011F06204061410001
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: C5C207154CB6AD691A-8090

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake        Labels: 4F0-910-801.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 910 801 D    HW: 4F0 907 801 B
   Component: EPB  CEFC0090   H05 0090  
   Revision: --H05---    
   Coding: 0008021
   Shop #: WSC 02145 785 00200
   VCID: A10AB38578DEA14946-80F4

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range        Labels: 8P0-907-357.lbl
   Part No: 8P0 907 357 H
   Component: Dynamische LWR  H02 0010  
   Revision: 00000001    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0000003
   Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200
   VCID: BFCE15FDEE6AF7B950-80EA

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (R)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 4F0 035 056 B    HW: 4F0 035 056 
   Component: Radio U STD   H45 0020  
   Revision: AB001007    Serial number: 342AX0A7750757
   Coding: 010003020100000000
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: 9F0EB57D8EAA97B970-80CA

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels: 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb
   Part No SW: 4E0 035 670 C    HW: 4E0 035 670 C
   Component: H-BNT-EU      H47 0047  
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 453LQ097520040
   Coding: 010101000202C1ED01000315EF6300030000
   Shop #: WSC 00732 210 82942
   VCID: A10AB385B8DEA14946-80F4

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 J
   Component: EUR 2010  1005 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 4F0 919 604     HW: 4F0 919 604 
   Component: DU7 High  H43 0306 
   Serial number: 9356LX0A1163272     

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 4F0 910 609 E    HW: 4F2 919 611 M
   Component: Bedienteil MM  H01 0060 
   Serial number: 00000001488908      

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8R0 906 961 A
   Component:   CD-Database  1293 

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels: 4F0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 959 795 M    HW: 8K0 959 795 B
   Component: TSG HL        H10 0251  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000102688700 
   Coding: 010E04204061220001
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: C3C6190D4282935934-8096

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels: 4F0-959-795.clb
   Part No SW: 4F0 959 795 M    HW: 8K0 959 795 B
   Component: TSG HR        H10 0251  
   Revision:             Serial number: 0000102688704 
   Coding: 010E04204061220001
   Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
   VCID: C3C6190D4282935934-8096

No fault code found.

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Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 4Fx-910-283.lbl
   Part No SW: 4L0 910 283 B    HW: 4L0 919 283 B
   Component: Parkhilfe 4-Kan H02 0500  
   Revision: 00H02000    Serial number: 12331000901298
   Coding: 0001106
   Shop #: WSC 02324 785 00200
   VCID: A91AABA500EE69091E-80FC

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 02:11, VBatt start/end: 13.9V/14.3V)-----------

Cheers Toby

Jack@European_Parts · May 26, 2017

Hello Toby and thank you for providing the auto-scan.

Yeah tell the insurance company to go pound sand because the intake is a separate labor operation on top of the knock sensors further acknowledged.

5 Hours is light......

Labor operation below linked and I'd like to add that sometimes these sensors require a re torque after a heat cycle as per the TSB requiring the operation done a second time for the bonus round.

Bolt
20 Nm
Tightening specifications affect function of Knock Sensor (KS)
Knock sensors
Contact surfaces between knock sensor and cylinder block must be free of corrosion, dirt and grease
Knock sensor (KS) 1 -G61- cylinder bank 1
Knock sensor (KS) 2 -G66- cylinder bank 1
Knock sensor (KS) 3 -G198- cylinder bank 2
Knock sensor (KS) 4 -G199- cylinder bank 2
Removing and installing. Refer to → Chapter „Knock Sensors“

Additionally : Double bonus round!
Rework times are granted for re-facing the surface of each KS mount @ .50 TU for each KS!

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Uwe · May 26, 2017

Moving to General VW/Audi Repair because this isn't really a VCDS-related question.

-Uwe-

DrPeter · May 26, 2017

Hi.. Just adding my two cents..

This is based on what I have seen when I was a dealer tech and what we had to deal with when it came to the 'extended warranty' companies and their idea of book times...

- The Audi book time is basically 'light' due to the fact Audi uses it for warranty times.
When it comes to customer pay jobs, most dealerships in the states will take that warranty time (5 hours) and multiply it by a factor of 1.5, some used 1.6.

- Audi warranty would pay the dealer the published 500 Time Units (TU) (5-hours) for a job. Where as the customer pay price was the 5-hours*1.5 = 7.5-hours.

My last dealership would tell the insurance company the price is the customer pay price of 7.5hrs. Then some how the service writer would get talked down below Audi's warranty time, uhg... and now ask the dealer tech to do the job for less. Instead of telling the customer 'your insurance does not pay for the whole job and you will need to pay the difference', like the rest of the insurance industry dose... that always pissed me off, not my car, why do I need to loose the time? ... :mad:

So do not let them push you around, it is their job to get the price down as low as they can and if they thought you would do it for free, bet you they would pay you $0.00..

The erWin sites may have Labor Times, I never had a look...

Official Factory Repair Information

Hope that helps,

drpeter

Jack@European_Parts · May 27, 2017

Insurance companies are in fact the biggest non industry which purports lawful fraud through unjust enrichment & on the consumer and small business or even in some cases the government by vicarious tax payer.

Always take the time to lawfully shove it up the adjusters ass when they in fact deserve it.

DGMotors · May 29, 2017

Cheers Jack,

You have confirmed what I though. I wouldn't normally get involved but it the mechanic that works for us and trying to help him out and save him having to take it back (3 Hour drive).

DGMotors · May 29, 2017

DrPeter said:
Hi.. Just adding my two cents..

This is based on what I have seen when I was a dealer tech and what we had to deal with when it came to the 'extended warranty' companies and their idea of book times...

- The Audi book time is basically 'light' due to the fact Audi uses it for warranty times.
When it comes to customer pay jobs, most dealerships in the states will take that warranty time (5 hours) and multiply it by a factor of 1.5, some used 1.6.

- Audi warranty would pay the dealer the published 500 Time Units (TU) (5-hours) for a job. Where as the customer pay price was the 5-hours*1.5 = 7.5-hours.

My last dealership would tell the insurance company the price is the customer pay price of 7.5hrs. Then some how the service writer would get talked down below Audi's warranty time, uhg... and now ask the dealer tech to do the job for less. Instead of telling the customer 'your insurance does not pay for the whole job and you will need to pay the difference', like the rest of the insurance industry dose... that always pissed me off, not my car, why do I need to loose the time? ...

So do not let them push you around, it is their job to get the price down as low as they can and if they thought you would do it for free, bet you they would pay you $0.00..

The erWin sites may have Labor Times, I never had a look...

Official Factory Repair Information

Hope that helps,

drpeter

I did try looking on ERwin first but couldn't find anywhere that listed Labor times so printed the repair procedure from Elsapro while online. (if someone knows hows to get repair times that would be handy)

I agree with you and we don't deal with warranty companies as a rule but as the car is owned by the mechanic who works for us i'm trying to help him out.

Audi repair times?

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