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    RNS 510 retrofit - MFSW not working... sort of

    I have recently completed a retrofit of the RNS 510 (1T0 035 686 E), 9WZ bluetooth unit (3C8 035 730 D) and upgraded the CAN gateway (7N0 907 530 M). Everything is working nicely now except for some minor details, mfsw being one of them.

    The car is a 2005 Volkswagen Golf 2.0 TDi with the red MFD and 2005.5 style mfsw buttons. The vol+ and vol- buttons have always worked and still do, but the prev track and next track buttons do not... well, sort of. If I tick both "Shortpress Steering Wheel Buttons Installed" and "Communication Instrument Cluster via Operation and Display Protocol (BAP)" in VCDS then the buttons will work, but I loose the highline display so that is not an option. Also, going to the Audio menu on the display and using the wiper stalker buttons to change tracks - as I have seen suggested other places - appears to do nothing under any circumstances.

    However, if I do a cold boot or reset ( < + > + star) on the head unit and wait until the music starts playing I am able to use prev track and next track as normal for about a minute. After that they are back to not functioning. I noticed that they stopped working at the exact same moment as my MFD started displaying the compass etc. Any advise on how I can get these buttons working permanently without enabling BAP?

    Code:
    VCDS Version: Release 12.12.2
    Data version: 20140212
    
    Tuesday,05,August,2014,22:10:27:22644
    
    Chassis Type: 1K (7N0)
    Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 25 37 42 44 46 52 55 56 62 72 76
              77 7D
    
    VIN: WVWZZZ1KZ5W203558   Mileage: 181270km/112635miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    55-Xenon Range -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    77-Telephone -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    7D-Aux. Heat -- Status: OK 0000
     
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    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 03G-906-016-BKD.lbl
       Part No SW: 03G 906 016 AQ    HW: 028 101 184 8
       Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000SG  9971  
       Revision: 12345678    Serial number: VWZ7Z0E1531981
       Coding: 0000172
       Shop #: WSC 00330 218 53017
       VCID: 72C533A76DF7558E9D3-8027
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-A.lbl
       Part No: 1K0 907 379 E
       Component: ESP ALLRAD MK60     0104  
       Coding: 0031362
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 3449F5BF57631BBE4FF-8061
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl
       Part No: 1K0 907 044 AC
       Component: ClimatronicPQ35 066 0404  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 68F151CF5B2BAF5E337-803D
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 937 049 N    HW: 1K0 937 049 N*
       Component: Bordnetz-SG     H34 0803  
       Revision: 00H34000    Serial number: 00000001381487
       Coding: EF8B8F0600041800001400001400000000187F075C
       Shop #: WSC 00330 218 181313
       VCID: 3A55DB877507EDCE953-806F
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 B  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer VW350  012  0401  
       Coding: 00065493
       Shop #: WSC 00330  
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 N  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AF.CLB
       Component: RegenLichtSens 006  0605  
       Coding: 00221517
       Shop #: WSC 00330  
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 E    HW: 1K0 909 605 E
       Component: 0C AIRBAG VW8R  024 6300  
       Revision: 03024000    Serial number: 0037KD00S9TN  
       Coding: 0012355
       Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
       VCID: 2E7DE7D7B94F316E39B-807B
    
       Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME0838116B9
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME07775B26H
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6351HSME056E404AA
    
       Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6361HSME056408483
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 G    HW: 1K0 953 549 G
       Component: Lenksäulenmodul 521 0050  
       Coding: 0002042
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 364DCFB7411F09AE71B-8063
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
       Component: Lenkradmodul    004 0030
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
       Part No: 1K0 920 871 B
       Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 0812  
       Coding: 0005103
       Shop #: WSC 80093 222 69422
       VCID: 297714CB80A15656EC9-807C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
       Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 M    HW: 1K0 907 951 
       Component: J533  Gateway H42 1623  
       Revision:   H42       Serial number: 170312F1001509
       Coding: 350002
       Shop #: WSC 35110 377 08192
       VCID: 3A55DB87B507EDCE953-806F
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 22: AWD        Labels: 1K0-907-554.lbl
       Part No: 1K0 907 554 A
       Component: HALDEX 4Motion      0105  
       Coding: 0000001
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 2B7BEEC38A5D44461E5-807E
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No: 1K0 920 871 B
       Component: IMMO            VDD 0812  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 297714CB80A15656EC9-807C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 37: Navigation (J0506)       Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
       Part No SW: 1T0 035 686 E    HW: 1T0 035 686 E
       Component: RNS-MID       H21 6270  
       Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7N9312149
       Coding: 06010000010000210000
       Shop #: WSC 05314 123 12345
       VCID: 364DCFB7811F09AE71B-8063
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T0 919 859 B
       Component: EU West V10  8048 
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX1.lbl
       Part No: 1K0 959 701 G
       Component: Tuersteuergeraet 09 0119  
       Coding: 0000054
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 3245F3A7AD77158E5D3-8067
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
       Part No: 1K1 909 144 H
       Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.3       1502  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 3041F9AFA37B279E2B7-8065
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 AR    HW: 1K0 959 433 AR
       Component:    KSG PQ35 G2  010 0101  
       Revision: 00010000    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 009002085103087F2D04850560084FC6F0A440
       Shop #: WSC 01392 785 00200
       VCID: 8021E96FD35BF71E1B7-80D5
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
       Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H02 1301
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 907 719 B
       Component: Neigungssensor  004 0003
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K0 951 177 
       Component: Innenraumueberw.004 0101
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX1.lbl
       Part No: 1K0 959 702 G
       Component: Tuersteuergeraet 09 0119  
       Coding: 0000054
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 334BF6A3526D1C86565-8066
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Xenon Range        Labels: 1T0-907-357.lbl
       Part No: 1T0 907 357 
       Component: Dynamische LWR      0002  
       Coding: 0000004
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: F4C9B5BF97E3DBBE0FF-80A1
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio (J0506)       Labels: 1T0-035-680.clb
       Part No SW: 1T0 035 686 E    HW: 1T0 035 686 E
       Component: RNS-MID       H21 6270  
       Revision: AB001001    Serial number: VWZ6Z7N9312149
       Coding: 06010000010000210000
       Shop #: WSC 05314 123 12345
       VCID: 364DCFB7811F09AE71B-8063
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1T0 919 859 B
       Component: EU West V10  8048 
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN1.lbl
       Part No: 1K0 959 703 C
       Component: Tuersteuergeraet 06 0217  
       Coding: 0000016
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 3041F9AFA37B279E2B7-8065
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN1.lbl
       Part No: 1K0 959 704 C
       Component: Tuersteuergeraet 06 0213  
       Coding: 0000016
       Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
       VCID: 3147FCABA8712E96249-8064
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 1K0-919-283.lbl
       Part No: 1K0 919 283 A
       Component: 01 Einparkhilfe     0101  
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 2D7FE0DBB4494A76001-8078
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels: 3C8-035-730-A.clb
       Part No SW: 3C8 035 730 D    HW: 3C8 035 730 D
       Component: Telefon       022 0946  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: 35502105030069
       Coding: 020000000100000000000001
       Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
       ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVPremi 002708
       ROD: EV_UHVPremi_SE36.rod
       VCID: 246905FF2F838B3EDFF-8071
    
    1 Fault Found:
    9458193 - Control Module for Cellular Telephone 
              B1052 14 [009] - Open or Short to Ground
              Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 4
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 238
                        Mileage: 181274 km
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 20:54:23
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 7D: Aux. Heat        Labels: 1K0-963-235.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 963 235 E    HW: 1K0 963 235 E
       Component: PTC-Element         0404  
       Revision: 00800000    Serial number:               
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 2D7FE0DBB4494A76001-8078
    
    No fault code found.

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    Anyone? Something that can be done using VCDS? Upgrading the steering wheel control module?

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    Are the 2005.5 style buttons even fully compatible with rns510?
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    I do not know. What confuses me is that it does work in the moments after the RNS 510 is booted and then stops at the time when I think the unit is fully initialized. Could some coding error cause this behavior?

    Also, I found this thread which seems to describe a problem very similar to mine, but at least he was able to change tracks with the rocker switch at the end of the wiper stalk.

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    Your cluster is too old.
    I know is sound strange, but cluster transmitt MF options to other controler such as Radio
    1K0 920 871 B - you need younger since 1K0 920 873 or 874 or any since 2007 ->

    You also should use hard button MFSW MK5 or Mk6
    Some people dont undesrand "DIY rules.
    They think if can install radio from 2009 to car from 2004/5 all will work, but in a fact - doesnt
    If that will be soo easy, VW will made only one MFSW and one SWCM, Gateway etc.
    With some reason - they made lot of updates , gues why

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    I actually made some progress with this. BAP has been disabled all along and for some reason I thought the "Shortpress steering wheel buttons" needed to stay enabled. While playing with this today I disabled the "Shortpress steering wheel buttons" and now I get almost the same behavior as described in the thread I linked to in my previous post; mfsw buttons for volume, mute and source works, mfsw buttons for phone and track does not work, but I am able to change the track/radio station etc. from the rocker switch when I am in the "Audio" or "Navigation" menu.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spacewalker View Post
    Your cluster is too old.
    I know is sound strange, but cluster transmitt MF options to other controler such as Radio
    1K0 920 871 B - you need younger since 1K0 920 873 or 874 or any since 2007 ->
    I do believe you when you say this is related to the cluster and I realize that what I now have seems to be as close as you can get with the 2005.5 style mfsw. Still that does not explain why the mfsw track buttons does work the first minute or so after the unit is turned on.

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    Check how many SWCM was available
    http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...odule_Versions
    Mostly are compatibile with old cars,
    why so many ? hard to say, maybe because your issue ?

    I gave you right solution, you are not a 1st one who's fight with that .

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    I thought BAP was for white cluster cars?

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    Hello , I have the same problem .
    How u resolved it?
    My car is skoda Octavia 1z 2005 , rns510 vw unit retrofitted , steering column for mfsw retrofitted from 1K0-953-549-A in 1K0-953-549-B ...but my buttons work volume up and down mute and lightning on/off Steering wheel is 4 spoke oem skoda.
    After the replacing of the steering column module I can not make go off the light from steering esp light etc.
    My g85 refuse to calibrate....
    This is the errors: somethimes I can make it calibrate but in in 44 I can not make stop limits learned.
    Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
    Control Module Part Number: 1K0 907 379 Q HW: 1K0 907 379 Q
    Component and/or Version: ESP FRONT MK60 0102
    Software Coding: 0037505
    Work Shop Code: WSC 54563 123 06500
    VCID: 4085633313D8CB212EF-8015
    2 Faults Found:

    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
    014 - Defective - Intermittent
    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
    005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation

    Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
    Control Module Part Number: 1K1 909 144 J
    Component and/or Version: EPS_ZFLS Kl.5 D04 1606
    Software Coding:
    Work Shop Code: WSC 00000 000 00000
    VCID: 326139FBAD7469B1A8B-8067
    1 Fault Found:

    00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
    000 - -

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    ok! i ihave changed again steering column electronics 16 and nowit is ok .
    The only problem i have is the mfsw buttons.
    Volum up and down it is ok mute ok and light ok but the other buttons on the (measuring blocks)vcds it looks ok but in car it does nothing.
    I can make something about that?

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