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    Audi Q3 TPMS enabling

    Hello everybody,


    I have a 2017 Q3 base model.
    The main reason I got the HEX-V2 is to enable TMPS.
    My Pontiac had it 10 years ago and it was the real TMPS not the fake ABS relative speed one.

    I tried to enable it though VCDS following some instructions on the web, by enabling the green menu first.
    That didn't work, 5F, Channel 06 remains at 0 even though I tried to set it to 1 and it said OK.

    I also found some instructions on the ABS module, but my part isn't known to VCDS so I didn't dare to do it blindly.
    That called for byte 16, bit 2, which won't even show up as a checkbox for my part.
    Not to mention that my byte 16 was 0x04, which I think means bit 2 is already set.

    I could really use some directions on how to achieve this goal.
    A kind mechanic at the dealer looked up my PR codes and said it could be enabled by "third party" tools, but no dealer will do it because that is how they distinguish between "models". In other words, you don't pay, you don't get it, even though.... anyway... enough ranting.

    Soooo, I am wondering if there is a solution to this.
    I do have the 1AT ABS, but the other part is unknown to VCDS.
    I posted my scan on the pre-sales forum, but I will post it here as well.

    Thank you for any suggestions and please let me know if any other info is needed.

    Code:
    Thursday,20,April,2017,17:51:05:35103
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 8.1 x64
    VCDS Version: 17.1.3.0 (x64)  HEX-V2 CB: 0.4336.4
    Data version: 20170320 DS267.7
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: WA1ECCFSXHR0xxxxx   License Plate: 
    Mileage: 1960km-1217mi   Repair Order: 
    
    
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Chassis Type: FS (8U0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 25 42 44 46 52 55 5F 62 6D 72
             
    
    VIN: WA1ECCFSXHR0xxxxx   Mileage: 1960km-1217miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
    5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (CCT)       Labels: None
       Part No SW: 8U0 907 115 L    HW: 8U0 907 115 J
       Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI  06 0002  
       Revision: PAH05---    Serial number:               
       Coding: 0123010A190F01A0
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00119
       VCID: 40DA496FE68B52F76D9-8014
    
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0000 0000
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09G-927-750.clb
       Part No SW: 09G 927 750 NL    HW: 09G 927 750 NL
       Component: AQ 250 6F           2696  
       Revision: 00H97000    Serial number:               
       Coding: 0000840
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00131
       VCID: 084A914F8E3BAAB7659-805C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5N0-614-109-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 5N0 614 109 CF    HW: 5N0 614 109 CJ
       Component: ESC-EBC460iV1 H12 0013  
       Serial number: A01DDR6
       Coding: 42FF269F492143702077420964C592C20424D000508B4883
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00154
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1ESCEPBTRW 006353
       ROD: EV_Brake1ESCEPBTRW_006.rod
       VCID: 71BCDCAB91218B7FD27-8024
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: None
       Part No SW: 8U0 820 047 G    HW: 8U0 820 047 G
       Component: J255  Klima Man     0030  
       Revision: 00H02001    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 392C248B8551033F2A7-806C
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels: 8X0-907-063.clb
       Part No SW: 8X0 907 063 AG    HW: 8X0 907 063 AG
       Component: BCM PQ35  M   113 0821  
       Revision: AB113821    
       Coding: AF000A0FA80336C4A4184BC121440D4D50FF66AA016F9523E40A06840045
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00015
       VCID: 015C8C6BA1019BFF227-8054
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8U1 955 119     HW: 8U1 955 119 
       Component: WWS316 161110  H38 0090 
       Serial number:         161202235421
       Coding: 0047F7
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8U0 955 559 D    HW: 8U0 955 559 A  Labels: 8U0-955-559.CLB
       Component: G397_RLS  H06 0004 
       Serial number: 50080466            
       Coding: 02006E
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 F
       Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H01 0008 
    
    1 Fault Found:
    01134 - Alarm Horn (H12) 
                002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100010
                        Fault Priority: 4
                        Fault Frequency: 3
                        Reset counter: 75
                        Mileage: 82 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2017.03.19
                        Time: 11:47:58
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            Term 15 On
                        Voltage: 9.10 V
                            ON
                            ON
                            Term 50 On
                            ON
                            ON
    
    
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    Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels: 8X0-959-655.clb
       Part No SW: 8U0 959 655 A    HW: 8U0 959 655 A
       Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H53 0723  
       Serial number: 003LQD12VCBY  
       Coding: 303932313231413130304A55304C38553053
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00119
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaAU10SMEAU316 002001
       ROD: EV_AirbaAU10SMEAU316_002.rod
       VCID: 45D4587BF52977DF5EF-8010
    
       Seat occupied recognition: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8U0 959 339     HW: 8U0 959 339 
       Component: BF-Gewichtss.  H02 0020 
       Serial number: 5810000R160000FXJ7
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: 
       Component: S.Sens.Fahr.V  
       Serial number: 3574MSME7953485BZZZ4
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: 
       Component: S.Sens.Beif.V  
       Serial number: 3584MSME1D644B5CZZZ9
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: 
       Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A    HW: 5K0 959 351 A
       Component: S.Sens.Fahr.H  H02 ---- 
       Serial number: 3516KSME4A652040ZZZK
    
       Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: 
       Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A    HW: 5K0 959 351 A
       Component: S.Sens.Beif.H  H02 ---- 
       Serial number: 3526KSME056E0F40ZZZY
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: 
       Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 8U0 959 651     HW: 8U0 959 651 
       Component: F.Sens.Fahr  H02 ---- 
       Serial number: 3555USME490E1140ZZZZ
    
       Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: 
       Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 8U0 959 651     HW: 8U0 959 651 
       Component: F.Sens.Beif  H02 ---- 
       Serial number: 3565USME58121140ZZZP
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 8X0-953-569.clb
       Part No SW: 8X0 953 501 D    HW: 5K0 953 569 AL
       Component: LENKS.MODUL   016 0180  
       Revision: FF010018    Serial number: 20161215100521
       Coding: 1984204000
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00119
       ASAM Dataset: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS A03004
       ROD: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS.rod
       VCID: 3B203E8383ED312F38B-806E
    
       Multifunction steering wheel control module: 
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8U0 951 528 G    HW: 8U0 951 528 G
       Component: E221 - MFL  H08 0010 
       Serial number: 09 12 2016  C0014777
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels: 8X0-920-xxx-17.clb
       Part No SW: 8U0 920 930 H    HW: 8U0 920 930 H
       Component: KOMBI_MEDIUM  H05 0540  
       Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 32CF00
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00119
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_AU10 A04399
       ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_AU10.rod
       VCID: 3C223D9F86E33617311-8068
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels: 8X0-907-468.clb
       Part No SW: 8U0 907 468 AS    HW: 8U0 907 468 J
       Component: GAT 4CAN 2L M H13 0090  
       Revision: 1R190044    Serial number: 4441R16B3002B7
       Coding: F3460A5A050B0D610253
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00119
       VCID: 1370B623CB7D196F80B-8046
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8U0 959 591 A    HW: 8V3 959 591 A
       Component: J245 PS11.403  H03 0004 
       Serial number: 0000FST001BLWSL00000
       Coding: 101E00
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 1K0 915 181 L    HW: 1K0 915 181 L
       Component: J367-BDM  H07 0270 
       Serial number: 33342I01145831018801
    
       Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8U0 959 591 A    HW: 8V3 959 591 A
       Component: J394 PS11.403  H03 0004 
       Serial number: 0000FST001BLWTM00000
       Coding: 001E00
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 22: AWD (J492)       Labels: 0CQ-907-554.clb
       Part No SW: 0AY 907 554 J    HW: 0CQ 525 130 
       Component: Haldex4Motion H52 7540  
       Serial number: HA1-00015.11.16
       Coding: 0001
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00154
       ASAM Dataset: EV_AllWheelContrHA1VW37X 002015
       ROD: EV_AllWheelContrHA1VW37X_SK12.rod
       VCID: 52FE73273467D067CBD-8006
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 8U0 920 930 H    HW: 8U0 920 930 H
       Component: IMMO          H05 0540  
       Serial number:               
       Coding: 000002
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00119
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_AU10 A04113
       ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_AU10.rod
       VCID: 3C223D9F86E33617311-8068
    
    No fault code found.
    
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    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 8X0-959-793.clb
       Part No SW: 8X0 959 793 K    HW: 8X0 959 793 K
       Component: TSG FA        H11 0415  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
       Coding: 011E03200000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00154
       VCID: 55F4883B0509C75F2EF-8000
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 5N1-909-144.clb
       Part No SW: 5N1 909 144 S    HW: 5N1 909 148 K
       Component: J500__APA-BS KL.377 1501  
       Revision: 1BH04843    Serial number: 00163140160701
       Coding: 0000258
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00154
       VCID: 42DE4367E88740E77BD-8016
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 8X0-959-792.clb
       Part No SW: 8X0 959 792 K    HW: 8X0 959 792 K
       Component: TSG BF        H11 0415  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
       Coding: 011E03200000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00154
       VCID: 54F2753F0EF3DE57D91-8000
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Headlight Range (J431)       Labels: 8X0-907-357.clb
       Part No SW: 8X0 907 357 E    HW: 8X0 907 357 B
       Component: ****LWR12**** H02 0020  
       Serial number: 161206-0002-130
       Coding: 16C7A41010022400
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00154
       ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulBasic 005001
       ROD: EV_HeadlRegulBasic.rod
       VCID: 44D2457FFE134ED7491-8010
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794)       Labels: None
       Part No SW: 8U1 035 187 B    HW: 8U1 035 187 A
       Component: RMC Cnct Sir  H62 0170  
       Coding: 01000600028051070023000102010000010000
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00119
       VCID: 382A218FB25B1A37D59-806C
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8U0 919 603 A    HW: 8U0 919 603 A
       Component: DUBasic AU316  H43 0018 
       Serial number: AUZ8ZDGCS038WS0     
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388)       Labels: None
       Part No SW: 8X0 959 795 C    HW: 8X0 959 795 C
       Component: TSG HL        H08 0415  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
       Coding: 010E03200000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00154
       VCID: 4FF87A5327D5BD8FE43-801A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 6D: Trunk Elect. (----)       Labels: Redir Fail!
       Part No SW: 8U0 959 107 A    HW: 8U0 959 107 A
       Component: HDSG-Modul    H02 0552  
       Revision: 15001001    Serial number: 328601189
       Coding: 183307C102
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00154
       ASAM Dataset: EV_HDSGAU316 001001
       ROD: EV_HDSGAU316.rod
       VCID: 3D24309B9DF93F1F06F-8068
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389)       Labels: None
       Part No SW: 8X0 959 795 C    HW: 8X0 959 795 C
       Component: TSG HR        H08 0415  
       Revision: --------    Serial number: --------------
       Coding: 010E03200000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00154
       VCID: 4FF87A5327D5BD8FE43-801A
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End----------(Elapsed Time: 01:15, VBatt start/end: 12.5V/12.5V)-----------
    Last edited by somedude; 04-21-2017 at 08:47 PM.
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    Moving to Tweaks since this isn't a physical retrofit.

    Plenty of VW/Audi cars had "real" TPMS 10 or more years ago as well -- and we constantly get people begging us to help them disable it because they're too cheap to replace the sensors in the wheels that the batteries have gone dead in, or they didn't have the foresight to order their aftermarket (winter or performance) wheel and tire set with sensors. Oh, and the technology didn't exist back then to meet the standards using wheel speed measurements alone, so the manufacturers had no choice in how to implement it.

    I don't have data for how to do it on that ABS module either. Maybe someone else does. It might be useful to google up other scans from that ABS system, particularly from cars that are known to have ABS from the factory.

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    Thank you Uwe,

    I wasn't bashing the ABS based TPMS, my wife's Tiguan has it and it's fine, plus, like you said, it has the benefit of working with the winter tires as well.
    I was simply showing my disappointment that a car in this price range doesn't have it enabled, as I suspect it has everything it needs to do it internally.

    From this scan:

    Code:
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    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 5N0-614-109-V1.clb
       Part No SW: 5N0 614 109 CF    HW: 5N0 614 109 CJ
       Component: ESC-EBC460iV1 H12 0013  
       Serial number: A01DDR6
       Coding: 42FF269F492143702077420964C592C20424D000508B4883
       Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00154
       ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1ESCEPBTRW 006353
       ROD: EV_Brake1ESCEPBTRW_006.rod
       VCID: 71BCDCAB91218B7FD27-8024
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    ... looks like the part number is the one I have to search for: 5N0 614 109 CJ, right?
    Or is it the Component: ESC-EBC460IV1?

    Quick question, if I scan a car, will the VIN be used up?
    I know someone with a loaded Q3 that I could scan.
    I could probably also go into the coding and look at the individual settings if their VIN won't be used up.

    From what I noticed, my VIN was registered when I tried to make changes and not when scanning, but I just wanted to be certain. I only have a 3 VIN licence and two VAG cars, so I would like to save the third for the near future... :-)

    Thank you for your help.
    Last edited by somedude; 04-22-2017 at 07:03 AM.
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    A VIN doesn't get used up by the HEX-V2 when scanning a car unless you you do an optical bus diagnostic scan. The actions that use up a VIN are listed in the following post...



    The following posts on here contain Auto-Scans that show the same ABS Brakes (J104) controller as your car (both posts are by the same owner). Might be worth PM'ing the owner and asking if he/she has TPMS enabled on their car. The car has a different long coding value for the J104 to what you have on your car...


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    You can try if this coding in [03-ABS] is accepted:
    42FF269F492143702077420964C592C20424D500508B4883

    and change coding in [17-Instrument] to:
    32CF01

    Probably also activate marker at [4C] in Gateway list coding for [19-CAN Gateway]

    For [5F-Information Electr.] I am very unsure if this is correct, to activate a menu, if that it is possible at all:
    0100060002C051070023000102010000010000

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    Thank you very much, Gentlemen, for the info and the suggestions.
    And apologies to NEtech, for my assumption of gender if I got it wrong.

    I will try and report back.
    2017 Q3 Quattro, 2012 Tiguan 4Motion

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    Quote Originally Posted by somedude View Post
    Hello everybody,


    I have a 2017 Q3 base model.
    The main reason I got the HEX-V2 is to enable TMPS.
    My Pontiac had it 10 years ago and it was the real TMPS not the fake ABS relative speed one.
    You are talking about individual sensors in each wheel right? like @ https://www.amazon.com/Replacement-T...ode=2201764011

    Before you get too far down this rabbit hole, you better confirm that your wheels actually have those sensors, because most likely if the factory did not enable that feature there is no way in heck they are going to spend the money to put sensors in the wheels that are not even going to be enabled.

    No amount of vcds tweaks is going to enable tpms for sensors that are not there, nor enable functionality in the TPMS module that does not exist.

    My 2014 gti loaded didn't even have actual tpms sensors, I just assume that all or most all modern VAG vehicles also use the ABS based tpms and do not include sensors or the module to use sensors.

    It all comes down to cost savings, why would VAG spend the extra money when they have systems that work nearly as well for cheaper.

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    Thanks Bro, but I'm not that stupid.
    Yes, my Pontiac had the Schrader valve sensors, but I know most recent cars have the ABS based indirect TMPS.
    This is what I was hoping to enable here.
    And when I was complaining about the cost I meant that for the price I paid, and with a very good chance that the hardware supports it, they could have enabled it from the factory. It is a safety feature after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NEtech View Post
    You can try if this coding in [03-ABS] is accepted:
    42FF269F492143702077420964C592C20424D500508B4883

    and change coding in [17-Instrument] to:
    32CF01

    Probably also activate marker at [4C] in Gateway list coding for [19-CAN Gateway]

    For [5F-Information Electr.] I am very unsure if this is correct, to activate a menu, if that it is possible at all:
    0100060002C051070023000102010000010000
    NEtech, Thank you VERY much for the codes!!!

    Here is the scoop, I tried this with the beta version of VCDS.

    After changing byte 18 for ABS from D0 to D5, I didn't see any change.
    But after enabling TMPS, which was a labeled checkbox for byte 03 for Instrument, my TPMS icon briefly flashed on the speedometer!!!

    I think that's a major step forward and I am very appreciative for the codes.
    I think I will even deflate one tire to test it out and then fill it with air instead of argon, I am that optimistic about this!!!

    The menu in 5F, which I assume was intended to enable the tire pressure reset in the MMI menu, didn't work.
    I even tried a reset of MMI with the three buttons, to no avail.

    I presume that TPMS can be reset with VCDS, in order to "learn" the current pressure, but it would be nice to enable the MMI menu.
    I will continue to search the web, as I remember seeing something somewhere.

    If I do, I will post details, especially if successful.

    Thanks again, if I ever make it to Denmark, I will bring you a six-pack of some good Canadian brewskies.
    2017 Q3 Quattro, 2012 Tiguan 4Motion

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    OK gotcha.

    I thought TPMS was mandatory everywhere, but maybe not in canada?

    I really can't imagine that any 2017 vehicle would not include tpms, even if there is no 'interface' for it in your MMI.

    Anyway, good luck in your search I hope you are able to enable it if it is indeed not already.

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